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UK still sharing intelligence with Israel as surveillance flights over Gaza continueBy Imran MullaNiddle East Eye. Published date: 6 August 2025 09:43 BST | Last update: 2 weeks 5 days agoDespite escalating diplomatic tensions between the two countries, the UK has continued to assist Israel militarily. On Tuesday, government sources confirmed that Britain continues to fly spy planes over Gaza and share intelligence with Israel, according to The Times.For months, British politicians have questioned the government about the role played by a Royal Air Force base on the island of Cyprus, RAF Akrotiri, just a 40-minute flight from Tel Aviv.From there, RAF aircraft have conducted hundreds of surveillance flights over Gaza throughout Israel's war on the besieged enclave.In response to questions about these flights, the UK's Ministry of Defence (MoD) has repeatedly insisted it is in support of "hostage rescue".The MoD confirmed this week that surveillance flights were "still ongoing" over Gaza, The Times reported.According to flight tracking data, Shadow R1s, RAF specialist planes, have not flown over Gaza in the past month. The MoD has refused to disclose which aircraft are currently being deployed over Gaza. 'A bird's-eye view of the genocide'A source with knowledge of British surveillance capabilities in the Middle East told MEE earlier this year that the surveillance flights give Britain "a bird's-eye view of the genocide".The source noted that the UK, a partner in the Five Eyes intelligence alliance that also includes the US, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, is the "number one gatherer of intelligence" in the Middle East."Britain knows exactly what is happening because of those flights. They have a better view than any journalist."Former Major General Charlie Herbert, who served in the British Army for 35 years, told The Times: “It’s all good and proper saying they are handing over intelligence for the purposes for locating hostages, but in reality that intelligence is just as likely to be used [to target] Hamas and others.”The MoD said last year that it "would consider any formal request from the International Criminal Court to provide information relating to investigations into war crimes".There is significant secrecy surrounding much of what the RAF Akrotiri airbase in Cyprus is used for.Earlier this year, MEE reported that the UK government blocked Labour MP Kim Johnson from asking about Israeli bombers using the Cyprus airbase.Diplomatic ties between the UK and Israel have frayed in the past few months, culminating in the British government's announcement last week that it intends to recognise Palestinian statehood in September.Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office responded by saying on X: "Starmer rewards Hamas's monstrous terrorism & punishes its victims. A jihadist state on Israel's border TODAY will threaten Britain TOMORROW."But despite the diplomatic fireworks, questions and scrutiny over the exact nature of Britain's military cooperation with Israel are sure to continue."

David Ainsworth ● 439d4 Comments ● 438d

To the victors the spoils?

Mr Rose replies yesterday to my statement ‘The Zionists returned as colonists, not as equals’.:-"Not true. The early Zionists in the nineteenth century purchased land from Turkish landowners and lived under Turkish rule just like the Arabs. After 1917 Jewish immigrants had to seek permission from the British authorities. They had no more privileges than their Arab neighbours."He must have forgotten:-"Herbert Louis Samuel, 1st Viscount Samuel (6 November 1870 – 5 February 1963) was a British Liberal politician who was the party leader from 1931 to 1935.He was the first nominally-practising Jew to serve as a Cabinet minister and to become the leader of a major British political party. Samuel had promoted Zionism within the British Cabinet, beginning with his 1915 memorandum entitled The Future of Palestine. In 1920 he was appointed as the first High Commissioner for Palestine, in charge of the administration of the territory."One month after Britain's declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, Samuel met Chaim Weizmann, who was to become the President of the World Zionist Organization and later the first President of Israel. According to Weizmann's memoirs, Samuel was already an avid believer in Zionism and believed that Weizmann's demands were too modest. Samuel did not want to enter into a detailed discussion of his plans but mentioned that "the Jews would have to build railways, harbours, a university, a network of schools, etc", as well as potentially a Temple in "modernised form".In January 1915, Samuel circulated a memorandum, The Future of Palestine, to his cabinet colleagues, suggesting that Britain should conquer Palestine in order to protect the Suez Canal against foreign powers, and for Palestine to become a home for the Jewish people. The memorandum stated, "I am assured that the solution of the problem of Palestine which would be much the most welcome to the leaders and supporters of the Zionist movement throughout the world would be the annexation of the country to the British Empire". In March 1915, Samuel replaced the January 1915 draft version with the final version of his memorandum, toned down from the earlier draft, explicitly ruling out any idea of immediately establishing a Jewish state and emphasizing that non-Jews must receive equal treatment under any scheme.Appointment as High CommissionerIn 1917, Britain occupied Palestine (then part of the Ottoman Empire) during the course of the First World War. Samuel lost his seat in the election of 1918 and became a candidate to represent British interests in the territory.He was appointed to the position of High Commissioner in 1920, before the Council of the League of Nations approved a British mandate for Palestine. Nonetheless, the military government withdrew to Cairo in preparation for the expected British Mandate, which was finally granted two years later by the League of Nations. He served as High Commissioner until 1925. Samuel was the first Jew to govern the historic Land of Israel in 2000 years.He recognised Hebrew as one of the three official languages of the territory. He was appointed Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire (GBE) on 11 June 1920.Samuel's appointment to High Commissioner for Palestine was controversial. While the Zionists welcomed the appointment of a Zionist Jew to the post, the military government, headed by Edmund Allenby and Louis Bols, called Samuel's appointment "highly dangerous".Technically, Allenby noted, the appointment was illegal, as a civil administration that would compel the inhabitants of an occupied country to express their allegiance to it before a formal peace treaty (with the Ottoman Empire) was signed violated both military law and the Hague Convention. Bols said the news was received with "consternation, despondency and exasperation" by the Muslims and Christians. Allenby said that the Arabs would see it "as handing country over at once to a permanent Zionist Administration" and predicted massive violence.Lord Curzon read the last message to Samuel and asked him to reconsider accepting the post. Samuel took advice from a delegation in London representing the Zionists, who told him that the "alarmist" reports were not justified. The Muslim-Christian Association had sent a telegram to Bols:Sir Herbert Samuel regarded as a Zionist leader, and his appointment as first step in formation of Zionist national home in the midst of Arab people contrary to their wishes. Inhabitants cannot recognise him, and Muslim-Christian Society cannot accept responsibility for riots or other disturbances of peace.The wisdom of appointing Samuel was debated in the House of Lords a day before he arrived in Palestine. Lord Curzon said that no "disparaging" remarks had been made during the debate but that "very grave doubts have been expressed as to the wisdom of sending a Jewish Administrator to the country at this moment".Questions in the House of Commons of the period also show much concern about the choice of Samuel: "what action has been taken to placate the Arab population... and thereby put an end to racial tension". Three months after his arrival, The Morning Post commented: "Sir Herbert Samuel's appointment as High Commissioner was regarded by everyone, except Jews, as a serious mistake."Tenure.As High Commissioner, Samuel attempted to mediate between Zionist and Arab interests, acting to slow Jewish immigration and win the confidence of the Arab population. He hoped to gain Arab participation in mandate affairs and to guard their civil and economic rights, but refused them any authority that could be used to stop Jewish immigration and land purchase. According to Wasserstein his policy was "subtly designed to reconcile Arabs to the... pro-Zionist policy" of the British.Islamic custom at the time was that the chief Islamic spiritual leader, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was to be chosen by the temporal ruler, the Ottoman Sultan in Constantinople, from a group of clerics nominated by the indigenous clerics. After the British conquered Palestine, Samuel chose Haj Amin al Husseini, who later proved a thorn in the side of the British administration in Palestine. At the same time, he enjoyed the respect of the Jewish community, and he was honoured by being called to the Torah at the Hurva synagogue in the Old City of Jerusalem."The Palestine population at this time was:1922 Total population of Palestine  752,000Jewish population of Palestine  84,000Christian population of Palestine  71,000Muslim population of Palestine  589,000https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Samuel,_1st_Viscount_Samuel

David Ainsworth ● 440d12 Comments ● 439d

VJ Day and how our split society came about.

"How the second world war shaped the sons of its soldiers" The Spectator.https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-the-second-world-war-shaped-the-sons-of-its-soldiers/I am at 80, probably one of the oldest posters on this Forum.And many would say I am sure, one of the most reactionary.But then I was born, brought up and formed in different times and under different circumstances.And every thing in this article rings a loud bell for me.I was 'shaped' as described above.My father fought for four years against the Japanese in Malaysia.And for years after his uniform truly did hang at the back of his wardrobe.(Well the jacket did but not the trousers leading to my bad dreams as a child as to what he would wear if called up again !)And we did play 'England vs Germany' war games in the street and were proud that we were victorious in reality.The nett of this might well be that I was inculcated with patriotism and love of country.And looked back at pride on what he and his comrades did to defend us from fascist tyranny in Europe and the Far East.A country that was homogeneous in race and culture and belief and proud of its history.Now it is 'multi-racial 'and 'multi cultural'.Is this for the better ?Divided between those that for generations have sided with its history and culture and those, often newcomers born elsewhere, that criticise it.And of course our education system which often derides and downplays our beliefs, culture and achievements so that younger generations, if they know anything at all of our recent past, are often taught to mock it and find it ridiculous. Is that for the good ?A petty example. Birmingham Council (the one that never collects household waste because of strikes by bin men) tries to stop the flying of Union Jack Flags but allows Palestinian flags to fly in Muslim areas."Fury as Labour-run council tears down 'dangerous' St George's and Union Jack flags from city streets (but Palestine flags are allowed in 'Muslim areas'.)" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15003113/Fury-Labour-run-council-tears-dangerous-St-Georges-Union-Jack-flags.htmlFor those that can be bothered to read it, this Spectator article above explains some of this.

John Hawkes ● 448d71 Comments ● 439d