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How low can attacks on Israel and its Jewish citizens go ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15027291/British-Paralympians-Israeli-national-anthem.html"Britain's wheelchair basketball team has been furiously condemned for their 'hugely offensive' behaviour after turning away from the podium during the Israeli national anthem. The Paralympic team, dressed in white, appeared to swivel at a 90-degree angle away from the podium as the Israeli flag was raised while the country's national anthem, the Hatikvah, was played. The incident, which has been branded an 'attack on the dignity' of Israel's players, occurred last Saturday during the opening ceremony of the Wheelchair Basketball Nations Cup in Cologne."One might think that sportsmen, especially those that share a physical disability, might show respect and empathy for each other.But no.Racism triumphs.Of course probably the British team are bears of little brain, but let's hope the wheels fall off their wheelchairs as they attempt to board their flight home.

John Hawkes ● 12d15 Comments

no no, I was just correcting your civilian death figures for you - which you have now accepted were incorrect.Thank you.

Michael Brigo ● 10d

Mr Brigo'You said 1200 odd civilians were killed on October 7th and it was not, as you have now admitted in your last post, it was 736'.I know that for the likes of you Israel soldiers represent the devil incarnate whose demise is of little consequence.However though they may not have been civilians they were human beings - fathers, husbands, brothers, sons.They were murdered defending their country and its citizens from an unprovoked attack by Hamas Islamic terrorists that you seem to side with. Speaks volumes about you that you should obfuscate and nit-pick over this issue by bandying about numbers or the meaning of 'civilian'.But that is the antisemitic cover you and others on this Forum use.PS I assume you do condemn the murders of the 736 civilians  if not the members of the IDF ?

John Hawkes ● 10d

I think perhaps you are losing track of the thread John.You said 1200 odd civilians were killed on October 7th and it was not, as you have now admitted in your last post, it was 736.Thanks for correcting your mistake.

Michael Brigo ● 10d

Mr AinsworthWe all know how unbiased you are concerning this conflict and recognise your faux remorse over the deaths of Israelis (NOT) and Palestinians.But if Hamas and its fellow travellers such as yourself wish this killing to end, why do they not release the hostages they hold and the corpses of those they murdered and agree to a negotiated settlement ?And why, for what it is worth, do you not call for it ?You don't because of your obviously fanatical racist dislike of Israeli Jews. PS Still awaiting your answers to questions I posed you regarding your attitude to the right of Israel to exist as an independent state and how you think the conflict might be ended.

John Hawkes ● 10d

Mr Brigo'It's transparently obvious that you are inflating the number of Israeli civilians killed whilst as usual playing down the number of Palestinian civilians killed.'Well how many Israeli civilians were killed ?Do you dispute these figures from Wikipedia ?'The October 7 attacks were a series of coordinated armed incursions from the Gaza Strip into the Gaza envelope of southern Israel, carried out by Hamas and several other Palestinian militant groups on October 7, 2023, during the Jewish holiday of Simchat Torah. The attacks, which were the first large-scale invasion of Israeli territory since the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, initiated the ongoing Gaza war.In total, 1,195 people were killed by the attacks:736 Israeli civilians ***(including 38 children)***,79 foreign nationals, and 379 members of the security forces. 364 civilians were killed and many more wounded while attending the Nova music festival. At least 14 Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF's use of the Hannibal Directive. About 250 Israeli civilians and soldiers were taken as hostages to the Gaza Strip. Dozens of cases of rape and sexual assault reportedly occurred, but ***Hamas officials denied the involvement of their fighters***'.(sic).I have no idea how many Palestinian civilians were killed in Israel's reactive attacks on Hamas.You tell me.A regrettably large number I am sure, but then of course the brave 'freedom fighters' of Hamas that you support imbed themselves amongst the Palestinian civilian community. That's my only point.

John Hawkes ● 11d

"If Hamas released the hostages, there would be an immediate ceasefire."What makes you think that?

David Ainsworth ● 11d

If Hamas released the hostages, there would be an immediate ceasefire.

Steven Rose ● 11d

October 7th attack."In total, 1,195 people were killed by the attacks: 736 Israeli civilians (including 38 children), 79 foreign nationals, and 379 members of the security forces. [Includes] 364 civilians were killed and many more wounded while attending the Nova music festival. At least 14 Israeli civilians were killed by the IDF's use of the Hannibal Directive. About 250 Israeli civilians and soldiers were taken as hostages to the Gaza Strip. Dozens of cases of rape and sexual assault reportedly occurred, but Hamas officials denied the involvement of their fighters."From:-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacksGeaza War so far."As of 30 July 2025, over 63,000 people (61,805 Palestinians and 1,983 Israelis) have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as well as 217 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA. Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians. A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children."From:-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war#cite_note-hrw20240717-1

David Ainsworth ● 11d

It's transparently obvious that you are inflating the number of Israeli civilians killed whilst as usual playing down the number of Palestinian civilians killed.That's my only point.

Michael Brigo ● 11d

Mr Brigo'You quoted 1270 **CIVILIANS** -  this is incorrect.'So how many Israeli adults and children were killed in the Hamas pogrom  in October 2023 ?Its transparently obvious that you are or will make the point that some of those killed were IDF soldiers and hence don't count. Unless of course they were someone's son, brother or father.While you are googling an answer to my question, can you find out how many hostages a corpses of hostages Hamas still holds ?Have you seen any report as to when they are going to release them ?Guess the problem might be that all of their 'political and military' leaders that could sanction this are dead or hiding in some dodgy Muslim statelet. BBC News'With the confirmed killing of Hamas's top military commander Mohammad Sinwar in an Israeli strike, a chapter has closed on the elite leadership group in Gaza that orchestrated the events of 7 October, 2023.Sinwar's demise follows the confirmed killings of other central figures who sat on what came to be known inside Hamas as the War Council.Sinwar, his brother Yahya, Marwan Issa and a fifth unidentified figure formed the clandestine core that decided on and directed the unprecedented assault on Israel - one which shook the region and set off the conflict still unfolding in Gaza.The War Council, sometimes also known as the Quintet Council, operated under conditions of extreme security and secrecy.The Israeli military said Mohammed Sinwar was killed last month in a strike on a tunnel underneath the compound of the European hospital in Khan Younis.The known members of the council included:Mohammed Deif - the commander of Hamas's military wing, the Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades, who is believed to have masterminded the 7 October attack. He was killed in an Israeli air strike in July 2024Yahya Sinwar - the political leader of Hamas in Gaza and its most influential decision-maker in recent years. He was killed in a firefight with Israeli troops in October 2024Mohammad Sinwar - a senior military figure and Deif's trusted lieutenant. Israel said this week that it had identified his body in Gaza following an air strike in MayMarwan Issa - Deif's deputy and a vital link between Hamas's military and political spheres. He was killed in an Israeli air strike in March 2024A fifth figure - whose identity remains unknown to the public - who was in charge of organising Hamas's security apparatus. He was targeted in assassination attempts before the war and an air strike during it, and suffered such severe injuries that he can no longer communicate or carry out any activities, according to one source'.I hope there were sufficient virgins to welcome these martyrs to the afterlife.

John Hawkes ● 11d

You quoted 1270 **CIVILIANS** -  this is incorrect.

Michael Brigo ● 11d

Mr BrigoHow many people were murdered by Palestinians in October 2023 ?

John Hawkes ● 11d

actually it was less than 700 civilians killed.But you be you John :)

Michael Brigo ● 11d

Mr BrigoWhat floats your boat ?The October 2023 pogrom and the fact that the Palestinians killed and raped 1270 Israeli women, children and the elderly, still hold many hostage and also their corpses ?My guess would be that you have little concern for this because they are colonialist, apartheid practicing Jews.Unless of course rather than tediously quoting IDF figures which they are at least they are open about (are you Mr Ainsworth's gofer ?) you see this as necessary collateral damage in Palestine's 'freedom fight' ?Good to see you posting.'Well Women Centre' a bit quiet this morning ?!

John Hawkes ● 11d

Personally i'm more offended by the dropping of bombs that results in a civilian/terrorist death ratio of 83/17* more offensive than people turning some wheelchairs around.But hey, whatever floats your boat.*Figures from the IDF itself.

Michael Brigo ● 12d