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The Danger of Rayner (and Labour)

“She caused enough havoc under Keir Starmer, who never had the gumption to rein her in, until she was tripped up by her own tax return. When she was forced to resign from the cabinet,  I swore that Red Ange would be "back with a vengeance" , and I was dead right. Now she's got her hands all over Andy Burnham's government, and she just won't quit.”“Rayner started life as a union rep and I bet she was a good one. As she said herself, she was "mouthy" and would "take no messing from management". Nothing has changed, and it seems that nobody in the Labour Party dares mess with her either.”“Her Renters' Rights Act has also unleashed chaos. By trying to combat a minority of rogue landlords, she's terrified hundreds of thousands of perfectly decent ones into selling up. Tenants are  fighting over a dwindling supply of rental homes, while rents rocket . Nice work.”“But we'll all pay the price for her mad dash as union muscle keeps growing, the economy slows, jobs vanish, rents rise and Labour's ultimate loose cannon blows away colleagues who refuse to toe the Angela Rayner line. She's going to be popping everywhere, and we'll all pay the price.”Full article here👇https://www.aol.co.uk/articles/angela-rayner-running-rampant-britain-090600000.html

Sue Hammond ● 7d36 Comments

You neglect to tell us where this stuff comes from: it's that always-reliable source (that, like the comic itself, is a joke), the Daily Express!

Richard Carter ● 7d

The link is there for everyone to see.  According to you Richard the only newspaper that is factual is the Guardian which has such a limited readership it has to beg for donations on every online page.  Incidentally, do you ever give yourself a break from sneering?  It is tiresome for us to read and could be emotionally damaging for you.

Sue Hammond ● 7d

Ms Hammond'According to you Richard the only newspaper that is factual is the Guardian which has such a limited readership it has to beg for donations on every online page.  Incidentally, do you ever give yourself a break from sneering?  It is tiresome for us to read and could be emotionally damaging for you.'You are right about the Guardian.Nasty little leftie rag - antisemitic and biasedly pro-Islamism.BTW perhaps Mr Carter is actually the person whose personality was drawn upon to create Victor Meldrew !'The character epitomised the archetypal grumpy old man. Meldrew is a foil for the bothersome aspects of children, cars, animals, power cuts and next-door neighbours.'Or in Mr Carter's case also Israel and Jews !

John Hawkes ● 7d

I'm not sure, Sue why you claim that I think the Guardian is the only factual newspaper because I've never said that and don't believe it anyway. And although I made fun of the Daily Express and called it a comic, that's not sneering. Sneering would have been making a sly, disparaging remark about your relying on it as a source. And I didn't do that.

Richard Carter ● 7d

Please stop the ad hominem accusations against Richard. Im not well and have never posted on Israel threads. My family are mainly Jewish and Richard has read out in Prague a list of names of my family who died in the Holocaust including grandparents and about 20 of their parents’ siblings.Some of my great aunts and uncles went to live in Israel. Steven knows all this.So we are not anti Jewish or anti Israel but deplore the actions of theIDF in Gaza where the death toll has been so terrible and I don’t approve of Netanyahu. I won’t post again. Richard doesn’t engage with you so no point telling him stuff but I find it very upsetting.

Jane Carter ● 7d

Hi Jane. Sorry to hear your not well, hope you get better soon. But perhaps if Richard stopped arguing with everyone and looked after you, you might get better sooner. Look after Jane Richard.

Barbara Stevens ● 7d

He is looking after me.

Jane Carter ● 7d

Hello Jane,I am truly sorry to hear you are not well.  I wish you a prompt recovery! Please, do not let the nasty posts upset you - the posters are not worth it.Having said this, they upset me too; I find them incredibly offensive and insufferably rude.  Sadly, their inability to understand the difference between not being anti Jewish or anti Israel but disagreeing with Netanyahu and IDF actions just shows their narrow mindedness.Please take care and do not upset yourself as it is not worth your while.

Ivonne Holliday ● 7d

Thank you Yvonne. You are of course right.

Jane Carter ● 7d

Ivonne, it is perfectly legitimate to criticise Israel and Israeli politicians like Netanyahu. Many Israelis criticise their own government. The issue is whether the criticism is fair and proportionate. Often it is neither and sometimes it can border on antisemitism. For example:1) subjecting Israel to relentless criticism while passing over the crimes committed by other countries like China, Russia, Sudan and Myanmar, to name just a few2) presenting a one sided view in which the Israelis are depicted as aggressors and the Palestinians as victims, even though Hamas, which was voted in by the people of Gaza and still retains widespread support, actually carried out an appalling attack on Israel which it threatened to repeat 'again and again'  3) judging Israel by standards which are never applied to other countries, in that the Israelis are described as war criminals when Palestinian civilians are killed while Allied airmen in the Second World War who killed half a million German civilians are regarded as heroes4) making false accusations of genocide against Israel in a deliberate reference to the genocide perpetrated by the Nazis. Where I would agree with you is that the some of the posts on this topic are couched in unnecessarily aggressive language and should be toned down.

Steven Rose ● 7d

“…although I made fun of the Daily Express and called it a comic, that’s not sneering…”Isn’t it?  I don’t know what else it is then!  I suppose you could disingenuously call it constructive criticism instead?    However we would all know it’s just you sneering again because in your eyes all right-wing papers are inferior to the Guardian.  Didn’t a relative of yours work for the newspaper a few years ago?PS Wishing you well very soon Jane x

Sue Hammond ● 7d

Ms Carter'Please stop the ad hominem accusations against Richard.'No one makes ad hominem accusations against Mr Carter.He has and does issue posts that I consider to be certainly anti-Israel and some tending to anti-semitism.Readers of this Forum have a right to point this out and argue with him on the matter.But he never engages in point to point argument on the Middle East conflict as you confirm and exhibits irrefutable bias.To him whatever Israel does is heinous and whatever the Palestinians do seems to be acceptable 'freedom fighting'.He prefers to simply point out outlandish statements made and actions carried out by Israeli extremists that are not endorsed by the Israeli government.You might consider the actions of the IDF in Gaza under Netanyahu's direction deplorable but they are doing what they think is necessary to destroy the base from which was launched a genocidal attack against them in 2023.And this requires destroying Gaza's infrastructure as well as the terrorist instigators.In that scenario innocent civilians will suffer as did many like Germans in WWII when the UK set out to destroy the Nazis, an earlier fascist group.I would expect that most Israelis support that position.When Islamists sworn to annihilate Israel and the Jews stop their attacks I have no doubt Israel's position will moderate.I am sorry you are not well, but I fail to see what this has to do with people conducting a political debate.

John Hawkes ● 6d

Steven'Ivonne, it is perfectly legitimate to criticise Israel and Israeli politicians like Netanyahu. Many Israelis criticise their own government. The issue is whether the criticism is fair and proportionate. Often it is neither and sometimes it can border on antisemitism'.All the points you made are apposite and true.For some reason or another Israel is the pariah state and the only one that receives constant criticism.I do wish someone on this Forum would give their explanation as to why this is so.Mr Carter is obviously busy taken up with domestic issues so perhaps Ms Holliday could substitute.I would be very interested to read what she (or any other Palestinian apologist) says on the matter, but it is interesting that the situation arises during a world-wide increase in antisemitism and attacks on the Jewish state and individual Jews in other countries.My view is that it is part of a plan by Muslim states and individuals to dominate not only the Middle East but also Western Europe including the UK.This is I believe called Ummah.The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was an antisemitic hoax and forgery purporting to detail a Jewish plot for global domination.The Hamas Charter describing the aim of Islamists to annihilate Israel and the Jews is not a hoax and can be read as the first step in the strategy for Ummah - Muslim global domination.This refers to the global community of Muslims united by faith, shared values, and collective responsibility, transcending geography, ethnicity, and nationality.Many Muslims think this will be brought about by jihad.But two pieces of good news that might indicate Islamisation at least in the UK seems to have hit a couple of bumps in the road.On the anniversary of the 6 October 2023 genocide of Jews in Gaza, a tasteless 'protest' (celebration more like) by a handful of Palestine supporting 'students was peacefully dispersed by a larger counter protest of Israeli supporters. And even more satisfying and in its way more significant of a change in political wind direction was the fact that the Great Breast Enhancer Zack Polanski was convincingly beaten in the Holborn St Pancras bye-election.The beginning of the end of the racist Greens ?Let's hope so.

John Hawkes ● 6d

StevenAs usual a caustic yet very accurate portrayal of where 'progressive' politics of the extreme left soon merges in reality into racism.Well at least where Jews are concerned !"The Green Party is now an openly anti-Jewish party"'The Greens’ adoption of the ‘Zionism is Racism’ policy confirms they are a party of bourgeois bigots'.https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/10/04/the-green-party-is-now-an-openly-anti-jewish-party/

John Hawkes ● 6d

Labour is no danger - the Nasty Party has history to cause anyone to shudder.

Clifford Cowell ● 6d

Mr Cowell'Labour is no danger - the Nasty Party has history to cause anyone to shudder.'Who do you suggest is 'the Nasty Party' and what have they done to make you shudder ?

John Hawkes ● 5d

Ms HollidayTo show your broad mindedness what 'Netanyahu and IDF actions' do you object to ?And are you anti the Israelis that elected Netanyahu in the regions only democratic election ?And what has the IDF done that you object to other than to hunt down the Palestinian Jew killers and protect Israeli citizens ? Have you ever criticised Palestinian terrorism against Israelis ?That would be broad minded.And perhaps you might distinguish between posts describing 'nasty' actions of terrorists from what you call the 'nasty' tone in which they are written.For some of us the anger we feel over Israeliphobia and Islamophilia leads to robust comment.

John Hawkes ● 5d

When Theresa May called the Conservatives the 'nasty party', she was apparently referring to its demonisation of minorities and to the sexual scandals which had mired the party in the 1990s. neither is true of the party under Kemi Badenoch, so Clifford Cowell's comment in my view makes little sense. The problem facing the country is that, in Liam Byrne's notorious phrase, 'there is no money'.  The only solution is growth. Kemi Badenoch's plan for growth is to reduce spending and lower taxes. The current Labour leadership pay lip service to growth but their backbenchers won't let them reduce spending on benefits so they will be forced to raise taxes, which lowers growth.

Steven Rose ● 5d

Hello Steven,Apologuies for the delay in replying.I am very well aware that it is perfectly legitimate to criticise Israel and Israeli politicians like Netanyahu. Many Israelis criticise their own government very much in the same we criticise ours and others too! Your points in order:1) it is very legitimate to subject Israel to criticism when we are talking about them.  I was/am not aware that the countries you mention were "passed over".  Russia?  Sudan, Myanmar, China have all been passed over?  That is news to me.  But if we are talking about Israel, about it we shall refer to2) I do not think there are any angels in the Israeli and Hamas governments - far from it.  We have spoken ad infinitum about this and I shall not return to it.  If you chose to disregard what I said, it is your prerrogative but it is mine to leave this one aside3) I find the comparison between Israel's attacks on Gaza and the West Bank with Allied airmen in WWII as splitting hairs.  I can comment on the Israeli vs Gaza war happening today but I cannot comment on something that happened before I was born.  It would be more helpful to refer to the Russia-Ukraine war as well as the US-Iran war4) I am afraid that the comparison your refer to is inevitable.  What the Jewish people and others suffered in the concentration camps is blood curdling.  You may, or may not, remember when Trump and Netanyahu were happily saying in the Oval Office that the wanted the Palestinians out of Gaza so they could create the Riviera of the Middle East.You and I disagree on a few things.  That is absolutely fine and very acceptable.  What we agree on is that the attack to the kibbutz in Nir Oz, where some 1200 people died and 250 people taken hostage, was beyond horrific and unforgivable.It is, however, difficult to disregard that since then over 75,000 Palestinians have died as a result of Israel's attacks.  One thing I can say is that if you treat your neighbours with respect, the chances are they will respect you as well.  Thank you.

Ivonne Holliday ● 3d

In my view the current state of the nation is down to the years of the nasty parties actions...

Clifford Cowell ● 3d

Of course Starmer has got nothing to do with the current state of the country with his no growth policy and now Burnham who is starting to flip flop just like Labour’s previous PM.  The only thing that will grow with this Government is the benefits bill.

Robert Wheeler ● 3d

And the national Debt!

Sue Hammond ● 3d

I seem to remember that the term "Nasty Party" was coined by Theresa May at a Conservative party conference.While I certainly do not disagree with being critical of the Labour government regarding the current situation in the country by any stretch of the imagination, I most certainly have a very strong bone of contention with the conservatives, particularly regarding baroness Mone and suspect contracts given during the COVID pandemic.  Remember Failing Grayling and the contract given to a company to run ferries that had never run a ferry?

Ivonne Holliday ● 3d

"And the national Debt!"Good news for you from the IMF then Sue!"John Healey should “stay the course” and continue repairing the UK’s public finances, the International Monetary Fund’s top economist has said, after the fund lifted its growth forecast for Britain.The IMF’s economic counsellor, said the UK “stands out” among G7 countries in having a plan to narrow its deficit.“The UK has already started a consolidation process,” she said. “The message for the UK is simply, stay the course.”"

Michael Brigo ● 2d

@MBYes I heard this discussion on LBC this morning; woohoo we have a plan, but our inflation is going to be higher than predicted.

Sue Hammond ● 2d

Robert,  Alexander Johnson lied to the late queen, Liz Truss crashed the economy and the sell-off of the utilities has led to highly polluted waterways and utility companies in massive debt - what oh what is there to like abut the nasty party?

Clifford Cowell ● 2d

We don’t have a nasty party Clifford you are showing your age.  Burnham hasn’t finished trashing our economy yet but do you feel comfortably off.  Is the country safer under Labour?

Robert Wheeler ● 2d

Hello Clifford,I think you refer to two very different periods.  The sale of utilities happened under Margaret Thatcher's government.  Perhaps you will care to remember the winter of discontent, the amount of strikes by private and public sector trade unions protesting at Labour's pay limits of 5%.  That was well over 40 years ago!!!  Also to be remembered, the UK was  considered the "sick man of Europe" in the 1970s, the UK needed an IMF bailout in 1976 and there was obviously economic stagnation then. You may also wish to remember that Maggie Thatcher was elected in 1979 with the main task of restricting the power of unions....  The economy was performing very well indeed in the 80s and 90s.  Until 2008, that is, wit the financial crisis thanks to the USA's subprime mortgage sector.There have been many governments between 1991 (when Thatcher resigned) and none of them took the issue of privatisation of utilities up (or should I say refused to consider the matter?).  Fast forward to 2016, Cameron resigning, Theresa May elected as PM until 2019 when the likes of Bojo and Rees Mogg made her life impossible regarding the Brexit agreement.I agree with you that, from July 2019 to date the quality of most politicians we have had has not been exemplary, may I say far from it?

Ivonne Holliday ● 2d

Ivonne, Just a couple of points - not all those who were killed on 7 October 2023 were from one kibbutz. A large number of young people at a music festival nearby were butchered and captured  by terrorists. These acts were filmed by the terrorists themselves and also celebrated by 'ordinary' Palestinians in Gaza on the same day.Another point you may not have been aware of is that many members of the kibbutzim in southern Israel were friends with their Gazan neighbours and helped them when needed.Your comment 'if you treat your neighbours with respect, the chances are they will respect you too' is offensive in this case.

Lucille Grant ● 2d

Ms Holliday'One thing I can say is that if you treat your neighbours with respect, the chances are they will respect you as well'. Did Gazan Hamas treat their neighbouring Israeli elderly, women and children with respect when with true genocidal intent  they raped and murdered them, published videos of these barbarities and kept trophy body parts ? Israel I am sure feels no compunction to show Gazans respect for they fear it could happen again as the Hamas Charter declares its objective of annihilating Israel and its Jewish citizens.That is why Israel is intent on the destruction of Gaza and its combatants until the latter come to their senses and act peacefully like true neighbours.

John Hawkes ● 2d

Hello Lucille,Apologies for not including the young people at the music festival killed by Hamas - very remiss of me and I do apologise profusely and unreservedly.  I was not aware that many members of the kibbutzim in southern Israel were friends with their Gazan neigbours and that they helped them when needed.  I wholeheartedly hope that none of the Gazan friends were involved in the attack. As for my comment "if you treat your neighbours with respect, the chances are they will respect you too" was not directed at one side - I see it as applicable to both sides equally.If this has caused offense, I am truly sorry Lucille - it certainly was not meant for one side only and most definitely no offense was intended - particularly to you.  I am sorry.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2d

"That is why Israel is intent on the destruction of Gaza"Good to see you finally admitting it.

Michael Brigo ● 2d

Thanks for your apology Ivonne!

Lucille Grant ● 2d

Mr Brigo"That is why Israel is intent on the destruction of Gaza"Good to see you finally admitting it."My interpretation of what I read.But they have my sympathy and support (if not yours) in doing this.Gaza is a hornet's nest of terrorists publicly intent on Israel's annihilation.People who you may have forgotten, as 2023 is probably when you were doing your GCSEs, made a genocidal attack on Israel, massacring the elderly, women and children, videoing their actions and putting them on social media, and carrying off female body parts.They have only recently released their remaining Jewish hostages.So yes they have my support in killing such people and destroying the infrastructure in which they hid, putting innocent Palestinian lives at risk, stored their weaponry and held hostages. Again, probably well before even your parents were born, Britain did the same to Germany, another fascist and racist state, for the very same reason.Any complaints over that ?Might I ask what is the simple reason you support Palestinian terrorists and are so, I'll use the most temperate of terms, critical of Israel ?Genuine question.

John Hawkes ● 1d

I dont support Hamas and have stated numerous times that I do not.Equally I do not support the destruction of Gaza, you have now finally admitted you do.That's all there is to say I think?

Michael Brigo ● 1d

Mr Brigo'I dont support Hamas and have stated numerous times that I do not.Equally I do not support the destruction of Gaza, you have now finally admitted you do.That's all there is to say I think?'"There is in fact something more for you to say".How would YOU stop Gaza being a base and refuge for Hamas Islamic terrorists wanting to annihilate Israel ?

John Hawkes ● 1d