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Steven, yes, unfortunately we've got ourselves into the situation where there are global relationships - whether business, friendships or family - that will often require long haul air travel: not all meetings are satisfactory when done via Zoom or Teams. (Although Zoom over the Internet is a lot better than the video systems and networks I reviewed in a 1991 study as part of my PgDip!) If one's child is born in the UK but its grandparents lives in North America or the Middle East they'll still want to visit it; if you're putting your company's UK client information into a US data processing and storage system best practice says your due diligence includes a site visit unless it's a major provider like Google, AWS or Microsoft, and if a friend has a life changing event you'll still want to visit them even if they live outside of Europe. And in business, sometimes those ancillary meet-ups at the coffee machine or in the pub after the formal one are the really useful ones ... plus, as you say, people have got used to foreign travel on an economy budget for holidays.An occasional leisure flight (one, perhaps twice, a year?) is going to be insignificant compared to the number of business flights each day or perhaps no worse than a daily drive of 120 miles to and from work in a non-electric car? The important thing about climate change is that people accept it's happening, reject the lies that it's fake and start changing habits where they can, considering the different viable alternatives for travel? It seems likely the economic structures will have to change over the next decade to avoid a climate catastrophe.And although there's talk of sustainable aviation fuel it seems that it's a case of theory and practice not agreeing. You can fly a plane adapted to use biomass fuel but, if one does the science and maths, the energy equations for the use of bio fuels, particularly for aviation, just do not stack up as a solution for net zero. This is because the photosynthesis process is so inefficient in converting solar energy into stored energy - for example, less than 1%, more realistically 0.1%, for creating wood for subsequent process - and that's before the energy required to convert the material into a usable aviation fuel. Hence, to produce the volume of fuel to satisfy the current market for it one would probably have to turn most of the food growing land over to producing aviation fuel! (And those wood burning fires are an ecological disaster, both from a climate and pollution aspect.)[This note on bio fuels is from a lecture on photosynthesis by Professor Bill Rutherford, Fellow of the Royal Society, Professor of Biochemistry at Imperial College. His research is funded by the Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council (BBSRC) and not by any industry body with a vested commercial interest.]

Michael Ixer ● 14h

One has to be pragmatic about these things. I doubt Mr Hawkes will become veggie or vegan - unless, perhaps, his doctor recommends it? He sounds from his posts as though he's set in a lifetime of likes and dislikes, and, after all, it's a free country - but my perception may be wrong. To be honest, if my wife and I are out with friends for dinner at a non veggie restaurant we're not going to insist people don't eat any meat, fish or dairy while we're eating vegan options, even if we're paying. It would probably be the worst way to try and convert anyone! However, many of our friends will often voluntarily select non carnivorous options or be happy to go to a veggie/vegan restaurant. When I've been on my canal trips with old university friends they've always made sure any restaurants or pubs we go to have vegan food even if they're going to tuck into a beef steak or chicken chicken curry. But they have joined me and my wife at veggie or vegan places in London. It's also funny how there are myths about veggies and vegans - like it's all rabbit food - well, some people do like salads and some chefs are very creative - but there's lots of other option - and they don't drink alcohol; you should see the bar bill after a veggie or vegan meet-up! Or that veggies eat fish - there's one top restaurant (that will remain nameless) which, even after advanced notice, asked me three times at a corporate meal if I ate fish - did they think it was grown in a poly-tunnel - before eventually producing a mushroom risotto. Although, other times people next to me with a slab of dead animal and a few potatoes and peas dotted around it one their plate, have been jealous of the chef's creativity on my plate :-) Guess you win some and lose some ...

Michael Ixer ● 1d