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Mr Brigo'That doesn't mean you can't criticize the actions of the Israeli government though.The two are not the same.'Of course any Government can be criticised, though the most pertinent criticism will come from those that elected it and not from those who are citizens of another country.But it begs the question "why is Israel, more than any other country so vehemently and continually picked out for criticism and attacked" ?Is it not because it is a Jewish state with a Government elected by Jews ? (Elected - something rare in that part of the world !)Is its behaviour anymore reprehensible than that of Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Mali, South Africa and many more Middle Eastern and African states ? If not, then attacks on it are proxies for attacks on its citizens who are in the main Jews.And attacks on Jews for being Jews is antisemitism.And such attacks are spreading worldwide and in this country.In the main carried out by followers of Islam as well as non-Islamic antisemitic fellow travellers some posting on this Forum. Meanwhile in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan -"Pakistan’s Punjab police kill 900 people in eight months: What’s going on?Human rights report alleges record extrajudicial killings by Punjab’s police unit set up to combat organised crime."https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/2/18/pakistans-punjab-police-kill-900-people-in-eight-months-whats-going-onAnd Mr Brigo, you seem to have forgotten the murders and rapes of Jewish women, children and the elderly by Islamic Palestinians in October 2023.https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgz9k7pzggo"Hamas 'weaponised' sexual violence in 7 October attacks, Israeli investigation says"'An independent, Israeli investigation has published harrowing details of "systematic, widespread" sexual violence by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups during the attacks on 7 October 2023, and against hostages.The 300-page report concludes that rapes, sexual assault and sexual torture were intended "to maximize pain and suffering".While the UN and others have published reports on sexual violence during the attacks – in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage – this is the most comprehensive.It draws on 430 filmed interviews with survivors and witnesses, more than 10,000 photographs and videos filmed by attackers, and official records and material from attack sites.Warning: This story contains graphic details of sexual and other violenceHamas has repeatedly denied that sexual and gender-based violence took place during the attacks or against those held captive. An investigation by the UN's Special Representative on Sexual Violence in Conflict concluded there were "reasonable grounds to believe" sexual violence, including gang rape, had been committed.Accounts of sexual violence emerged soon after the Hamas-led attacks, prompting an Israeli legal expert to set up the commission.Witnesses quoted in the Civil Commission report describe hearing and seeing violent gang rapes at the Nova dance festival, where more than 370 people were killed in one of the deadliest attacks. A male survivor also gives an account of being used like a "sex doll" by assailants. Many of those raped or apparently assaulted were shot in the head.There are recurring accounts from the festival site, kibbutzim and military bases which were over-run of dead women found without their underwear, and corpses with genital mutilation.The report says that "extreme forms" of sexual and gender-based violence "continued against hostages in captivity for prolonged periods, inflicted on both women and men". It describes the attacks as "the weaponization of sexual violence".Some former hostages including Amit Soussana, Arbel Yehud, Romi Gonen, Rom Braslavski and Guy Gilbol Dalal have given public accounts of being sexually assaulted. However other victims have only spoken confidentially to medical staff, therapists and investigators.The report includes many shocking new claims including that two young relatives were forced by their captors to perform sex acts on each other. That case is part of what the report says was "a distinct pattern of violence targeting family members and exploiting familial relationships as instruments of terror".The Civil Commission found that the crimes carried out "constitute war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocidal acts under international law." Its evidence, which is being kept in a secure archive, may aid future prosecutions'.Is criticism of these barbaric terrorists 'anti-Islamic' ?Do you believe it to be true or just see it as Israeli propaganda ?Or do you think the attacks were Israeli perpetrated 'false flag' activities ?Do you condemn it or do you just see it as Islamophobic propaganda ?Tell us please.

John Hawkes ● 1d

Mr BrigoAt last we agree on something - the insidious evil of antisemitism.And that many, some on this Forum, use attacks on Israel or Zionism as cover for their true antisemitic beliefsSo I have no doubt you will agree with what Michael Gove the Editor of the Spectator wrote recently."To eradicate a virus, one needs precision. The origin of the threat needs to be identified, as do the circumstances of its incubation and spread, and the vulnerability of specific hosts. The wrong response risks making things worse.Anti-Semitism is a virus, and, as the late Chief Rabbi Jonathan Sacks explained, one that mutates over time. Originally, it was a religious prejudice; post-Enlightenment, it developed into a racial hatred, fuelled by a twisted version of social Darwinism. It was thought that after the unique evil of the Holocaust, the single greatest crime in history, when man became wolf unto man, the virus had at last been defeated.But in our own time a new variant has emerged. Anti-Semitism now finds its most vigorous form in hostility to the expression of collective Jewish identity, the Jewish home: Israel. It is customary in debates around contemporary anti-Semitism to maintain there is nothing inherently anti-Semitic about criticising Israel. That is true. But what is striking is just how much criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. The very existence of Israel is called into question. That is what anti-Zionism means. No other state on Earth has its right to exist debated so vehemently. The partitions and border re-drawings that followed two world wars generated tensions and conflicts elsewhere, to be sure. But no one calls for an end to Pakistan or the erasure of Jordan. A double standard is applied – one of the oldest markers of anti-Semitism.More than that, Israel’s actions, especially in its own defence, are held to a different standard than other nations. Israel’s neighbours sought to strangle it at birth. They have, at different times, hosted and funded terror organisations pledged to the elimination of Jewish communal existence. On 7 October 2023, Hamas, funded by Iran, inflicted on Israel the gravest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust. In response, Israel has sought to quell that threat to its people and their survival.That conflict has been ugly and many more innocents have died. But there has been a contrast between Israel and its enemies, and indeed its detractors. The Israel Defence Forces (IDF) have sought, albeit imperfectly, to minimise civilian casualties. Hamas has worked to maximise them. Detailed work by Lord Roberts of Belgravia for a House of Lords committee has shown how Israel, engaged in the difficult work of urban counter-insurgency, has managed to limit casualties below the level seen in other similar conflicts, including those in which British or American troops were engaged.But such restraint, which necessarily involves a greater risk to Israel’s own soldiers, has not brought Israel any greater understanding. Instead, the allegation that it is engaging in a genocide has grown in vehemence and volume.Two strands of anti-Semitism are at work here. The first is the demand that Jews live on terms set by others: they can win sympathy as victims but never understanding, let alone support, when they assert their right to self-defence.The second is the desire to go further and to erase any historic sympathy for the Jewish people’s plights by making them the equals of their past oppressors – the new Nazis, the génocidaires of our time.The conflict in Gaza has led to understandable concern across the world and a desire for peace. Every soul in suffering calls to us in our hearts. But what has been striking – on our streets, on social media, across the West – has been the way in which protests against conflict have become, so quickly and comprehensively, vehicles for prejudice. Cries to ‘globalise the intifada’ are heard at pro-Palestine marches, accompanied by imagery designed to inflame hatred of Jews – individually and collectively. The marches, and the memes, have become the means by which the virus has spread.A healthy society should have a political immune system robust enough to see off this danger. But our own has been weakened over time. Radical left thinking, and especially the enduring influence of writers such as Frantz Fanon and Edward Said, has induced in the West a set of beliefs peculiarly vulnerable to modern anti-Semitism. Colonialism is the greatest evil, privilege and success evidence of injustice, neo-liberalism a lie that cloaks exploitation.Israel’s success, against the odds, as a pluralistic, democratic, law-bound free–market state stands as a rebuke to those who want to shame the West and its values. That Israel is a land formed by asylum-seekers and refugees, with almost no natural resources, and that it outdoes in growth, freedom and opportunity every state from Tangier to Tehran, is a powerful refutation of the post-colonial left’s world view. And so its success is attributed to wickedness, exploitation and oppression. Thus another anti-Semitic trope is disinterred from the grave in which it should have been left to rest. The misery of others is down to the rapacity of the Jews.This sentiment – that your misfortune can be explained by the success of Jewry – has been weaponised by populists in the past. And it has been repurposed for the 21st century by Islamists searching for whom to blame for the misfortunes of the Muslim world, radical leftists looking for a villainous face to personify neo-liberal greed, a far right searching for a guiding intelligence behind their ‘Great Replacement’ theory, and conspiracists of all stripes in pursuit of a hidden hand to blame.Standing against this hatred, these ideologies and this wickedness is the democratic duty of all of us and the principled fight of our times".

John Hawkes ● 2d

Mr Brigo'Your point is irrelevant in the context of this thread.'But the thread is - ':I'm sure we all condemn anti-semitism in all it's forms right?''It's anti-semitic and you should condemn it.'If you read his post Mr Rose does condemn it and all forms of antisemitism -"Yes, a nasty cartoon, but the fact that Zack Polanski is a victim of prejudice does not absolve him from fuelling anti-Semitism by ‘liking’ tweets suggesting that Keir Starmer is in the pay of Israel, or refusing to condemn the view that Zionism is a form of racism, or accepting as his deputy, Mothin Ali, who hailed the massacre of October 7 as ‘resistance’, or failing to expel the thirty or so candidates who have made grossly anti-Semitic comments".He just points out the the Green Party, albeit lead by a Jew Zack Polanski (nee David Paulden) has some very unsavoury antisemites amongst its membership.'Two members of Zack Polanski’s party standing in Lambeth were arrested by Met Police on suspicion of stirring up racial hatred, while several more have been suspended amid investigations'.And he has not disassociated himself from them.And if you are so concerned about the condemnation of antisemitic comment, are you completely happy with how some of your comments might be interpreted ?And what are your views on comments that some might see as being antisemitic made on this Forum by Messrs Ainsworth and Carter, which they always dismiss as being such under the cover of describing them simply as anti-Zionism or anti-Israel ? Anyway I'll detain you and your fellow Greenies no longer and leave you free to get down to the ballot box and vote for the racist future you desire, and I dread, lead by such an inspiring Messiah ! 

John Hawkes ● 7d