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I have never been a Trump fan, Ivonne, nor a fan of any politician. I merely wish to point out that contempt for Trump can sometimes cloud judgment about the importance of America as an ally or the threat posed by Iran.I am afraid that one or two people on the Forum have suggested that America is an unreliable ally and that the UK should look to forge closer ties with Europe for defence. This is a pipe dream. Even if European nations were prepared to spend huge sums on defence, (which they are not), it would take about ten years to build a sufficient force to deter potential,enemies like Russia and China.I have not suggested that you or anyone else on the Forum dislikes Americans on a personal level. The NATO alliance is only a credible force because of the contribution of America. The Royal Navy, for example, which once ruled the waves, now consists of 15 frontline surface ships : two carriers, 6 destroyers and 7 frigates, half of which at any time are in dock undergoing repairs. Do you imagine that our navy  strikes fear into Russia and China?Yes, it is true that the Iranian regime has not collapsed but its army, navy and most of its missile capacity has been destroyed. There still remains the issue of the purified uranium. Hopefully Trump will secure a deal to remove this material and stop Iran’s nuclear programme.I think it is an exaggeration to say that Trump thinks Putin is a good guy. Trump subscribes to Henry Kissinger’s view that countries don’t have friends, merely interests. He doesn’t necessarily like Putin - he just thinks it is not in America’s interest to be permanently in conflict with Russia. At the same time he is not prepared to allow Putin to have his way where it conflicts with American interests. So for example America has continued to send arms to Ukraine and shares intelligence with the Ukrainian military.

Steven Rose ● 12h

I'm not going to go into a lot of detail as to why I'm not anti American (I've explained that before) other than to say Artemis II was a fantastic success (apart from the loos) and shows the USA's greatness and it's ability to cooperate with partners such as ESA and others.My comments are sympathetic with sentiments from US friends and contacts who aren't anti their own country, just concerned about what's going on their. (And some of their comments are so extreme I wouldn't repeat them on this forum!)It's not me or others on this forum calling for Amendment 25; it's many Democrats in Congress introducing legislation based on President Trump's wild, undiplomatic, statements and their perception of his falling approval ratings because of the concerns of the American public (ok, it's unlikely to succeed). https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-25th-amendment-iran-impeachment-b2957683.htmlNot all Americans want him upsetting their allies, leaving NATO, forcing Ukraine to cede territory to Russia. Other NATO members should contribute their dues, and I don't think it's in NATO's interest for the US to leave but countries and governments in Europe, Canada, etc must stick by their own standards and principles of what they consider right and wrong; democratic allies should be able to disagree amicably. And when Pete Hesgeth quotes the bible according to Quentin Tarantino, one has to wonder how irony in comedy programs will survive - I don’t know if he did that deliberately or do evangelistic Christians not know their bible? https://www.unilad.com/news/us-news/pete-hegseth-bible-passage-pulp-fiction-643973-20260416And I think with all his gung ho talk he may be in danger of underestimating his enemy- or perhaps his enemy's allies? I must admit I'd not come across this idea of transferring ownership of a satellite once it's in orbit: Iran Bought Chinese Satellite In Orbit, Then Used It To Target US Bases: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/iran-used-chinese-spy-satellite-to-track-us-bases-during-war-report-11363335But let's hope there's another round of peace talks that sorts this mess out?

Michael Ixer ● 12h

Hello Steven,I am delighted you say that Trump's failings as a man and a leader are there for all to see. That is quite a statement coming from you.I do not think that people are arguing that Britain no longer needs (or wants?) an alliance with America.  That is incorrect or the interpretation of your choice.  The problem is Trump who happens to be the president of the US.  Someone who tried to portray himself a Jesus Christ, sorry, doctor.  Or tried to portray that Jesus came to hug him. Something is certainly not right there.I have said before, very openly, I dislike Trump as a man enormously.  That does not mean I dislike Americans - those are two entirely different things. Also, what is wrong with aligning with Europe as well?  Are they not also members of NATO?  Yes, we (I am including the UK) have not made sufficient contributions to NATO.  Agreed.  But please remember, America pays 3.4% of its GDP, the main difference is the size of their GDP compared to the UK and mainland Europe.  May I remind you that NATO is a defensive alliance built mainly to protect it from Russian attacks....  Of course, I have not mentioned the Trump thinks Putin is a good guy.....I have no doubt that Iran's nuclear threat is real and an incredible possibility.  Why destroy the Iranian Nuclear Deal signed by the UN Security Council + just because it was an Obama deal?  It was working perfectly well...  It does not make any sense whatsoever other the hate towards Obama.  That the Iranian regime is despicable beyond imagination, nobody denies.  How to deal with them you have asked many times (and not provided a response to your question).  I think a psychologist and or psiquiatrist is required here - I am not one.  Neither am I military-trained.  But, from a lay person's point of view, you do not go and bomb a country to destroy the leadership to find that you have not and the leadership that remains is more fanatical than the first. Then say that Iran must hand over the uranium it has to the US.  And Iran also has a very interesting amount of oil which interests Trump no end.The US has a proven history of brining down dictatorships in South America without bombing countries.  Could that not be used as a basis?  Just asking! I look forward to your response.  Thank you.

Ivonne Holliday ● 13h

StevenMy objections to the relentless Trump bashing are 1) it’s boring (because we have heard all the criticisms many times before), 2) it’s sanctimonious (because endlessly accusing Trump of being a knave and a fool is a simply a way of praising oneself as wise and good) and 3) it’s lazy (because attacking Trump avoids having to suggest a sensible solution to the danger of Iran becoming a nuclear power).'I am sure you and I both would agree that Trump is not the best Ambassador for the US and the Western world and its values.Trump bashing is of course just a cover for attacks on the US itself.And none the less at the moment he does lead the US, our biggest ally and defender of our freedom.How will the Americaphobes on this Forum vent their spleen and cover their tracks then when is is no longer politically active ?And why do Americaphobes think themselves 'wise and good' ?Who do they think will offer us any assistance if we or our interests are attacked by Russia or Islamic states.Particularly as you point out by the theocratic dictatorship that is Iran ?Why are they so anti-US and pro-Iran ?For Iran with a nuclear capability is a terrifying thought.This is a country ruled by those with a distain for this world and seek martyrdom to achieve transformation into the after life.They would not hesitate to use it if building such a capability were it politically plausible domestically, even  after its slaughtering 30,000 of those 'citizens' that have objected, and its instigators had not been or will be  physically eliminated. And its affects would even carry into the heart of its UK support namely West Putney.

John Hawkes ● 19h

Michael, I am not aware that contributors to this thread have traded insults. I have certainly not insulted anyone personally, so I don’t know why you are addressing your remarks to me. Perhaps you could explain what insults you are referring to.Jonathan, I read the article on the Aljazeera website. The author argues 1)  that there is no proof that Iran is trying to develop a nuclear weapon and 2) that Israel’s alleged nuclear capability does not attract the same level of scrutiny. His first point strikes me as disingenuous. What possible reason does Iran have to purify 400 kilos of uranium to 60%, when 3-4% is sufficient for peaceful purposes, if not to build a bomb? Why would anyone take the word of the late Ayatollah, who only three months ago ordered his security forces to murder over thirty thousand of his fellow citizens, that Iran was not intent on developing a nuclear capability. The second point assumes that there is a moral equivalence between Israel and Iran. The assumption seems to be, ‘if Israel has a nuclear bomb, why shouldn’t Iran?’The same argument is made by naive commentators about North Korea and America. There is no moral equivalence. Israel is an ally of this country, the only democracy in the Middle East, which has sought to live in peace with neighbours who do not threaten its existence (e.g. Egypt, Jordan). Iran is a vicious theocracy which has funded and armed terrorists to attack Israel and indeed  threatened to wipe Israel off the map. It has also supplied drones to Russia to kill Ukrainians.

Steven Rose ● 1d

Steven. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I often have better things to do with my time than read through a string of insults being exchanged. If I'm busy at a conference or visiting a tech expo it might be a number of hours before I catch up on messages.The SW15 forum is only one message service (I have to have my US EU, NZ, etc inputs to consider) and if in the meantime, say, ten posts trading insults have been made on a thread, that wastes time and obfuscates the serious points. Other times I might be travelling on a train and have plenty of time to read and respond - that's just life as they say! It's obviously putting off a lot of people from posting, and one would suspect advertisers who sponsor the forum, so I guess the forum has a limited lifespan :-(The only way the Iranian situation will be resolved fully is by negotiations - Trump seems to recognise that now and is mentioning further talks. It is a concern that Iran has accumulated significant amounts of enriched uranium. However, we were told by President Trump the US bombing had destroyed centrifuge facilities and stocks of uranium. Was he giving us false information? Actually, he makes so many statements that are often factually incorrect or obviously ridiculous I often ignore them.Given the detrimental impact on the Iranian programme from the Stuxnet virus a while ago, one would expect the bombing of the centrifuges to be more devastating than that computer malware. Personally, I doubt the Iranians were that close to creating a viable bomb after destruction of their facilities, unless they have external assistance (in which case, I'd guess they'd eventually get a working device). Is there any evidence they had a test plan? We know the N Koreans do because their testing has been monitored. Atomic theory is fairly straightforward but the engineering aspects of constructing a viable device seem to be more complex and require testing (usually underground) that would show up in monitoring seismic activity and radioactive material in the atmosphere. I can see justification can be made for bombing of nuclear processing plants but targeting educational and health institutions seems completely unnecessary and potentially a breach of international law? Of course, the US could put troops on the ground to search the Iranian facilities - the only way of being absolutely certain - but would that be acceptable to his US voters?As they say: jaw, jaw is better than war, war?On a slightly different point: it's interesting, as an atheist, I never thought I'd feel sympathetic towards the Pope but at least he's following his religious convictions; it's amusing hearing him being lectured on theology by recent convert VP , J D Vance! Reminds me of a western Muslim convert I worked with who was more hard-line on drinking alcohol than some colleagues who were Muslims of immigrant families who took the view it was only drinking to excess that was banned :-)Bye for a while, got a life to live ...

Michael Ixer ● 1d

I pay contributors the courtesy of reading what they have to say, Michael, but I tend to switch off when the comments descend to pure invective against Trump e.g. ‘lost the plot’, ‘unhinged’, ‘morally incontinent’ (the last of which doesn’t actually mean anything).Nevertheless I think it’s important to counter some of the more fanciful arguments used by opponents of the American intervention:1) I agree that the treatment of Zelensky by Trump and Vance in the Oval Office was appalling, but to say that Trump is an ally of Putin in the war in Ukraine is absurd. The United States remains the largest single contributor of arms to Ukraine and without its intelligence sharing Ukraine would be in serious trouble. Beyond that the United States is the cornerstone of the NATO alliance. Trump’s threat to disengage from NATO is a serious problem for the UK and other European nations which should be taken seriously.2) The idea that Iran’s stockpile of purified uranium is a myth, or that if it did exist it has been obliterated, or that Iran has no intention of producing a nuclear bomb is wishful thinking. The talks last weekend stalled precisely because Iran refused to give up the uranium and refused to give up its right to uranium enrichment in the future. So I have two questions. How does Europe get America to renew its commitment to NATO? How does the West prevent Iran becoming a nuclear power. My answer is the same to both questions. By supporting America’s attempt to force Iran to give up its nuclear ambitions and to stop financing international terrorism. In return the West would agree to end some of the sanctions against Iran, with a full cessation of sanctions dependent on the restoration of democracy.

Steven Rose ● 1d

Richard, you may find the term virtue signalling tedious but it accurately describes what passes for left wing ideology nowadays given that belief in socialism (i.e. state control of the economy) has virtually disappeared. Instead people who like to think of themselves as being  on the progressive side of the political divide proclaim their adherence to a number of ideals, among them anti-colonialism, anti-elitism,  international law and so on. There is nothing wrong with these ideals per se, but all too often the measures taken to promote them are simply token gestures whose purpose is principally to demonstrate the virtue of the people who advocate them. Keir Starmer's obsession with international law is an example. What is the point of standing aloof from Trump’s intervention in Iran? Has it alienated Trump? Definitely. Has it cut any ice with the Iranians? Definitely not, given that they attacked the British bases at Akrotiri and Diego Garcia and in any case regard the UK as in league with the devil. Is British neutrality going to help curb Iran’s nuclear ambitions? Hardly.As to the alliance with America, what is the alternative? Do you really believe that the EU is going to protect us from Russia or China?In retrospect it is probably true that Trump’s decision in 2018 to abandon Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran was a mistake. The problem is that the deal did not prevent Iran from amassing a huge number of missiles or from funding and arming terrorist groups to attack Israel. But we are where we are . The Iranians have purified 400 kilos of uranium to 60% and the IAEA has detected the presence of some of the material purified to 87%, just short of the weapons grade threshold. What do you propose should be done about this?

Steven Rose ● 2d

Well, Steve, I am afraid you are  contradicting yourself.Trump may be the US President but, as you say, "he tends to make idiotic and sometimes contradictory statements."  That is very worrying in itself. As for being UK's closest ally, this is quite questionable as he is very close to Putin, demonstrated by his approach to the war in Ukraine.  Did he not blame Zelensky for the war and warn him he was starting WWIII?  As for Trump trying to force the Iranian regime to hand over its purified uranium and give up its ambition to build a nuclear bomb is also questionable.  In my view, Trump is more interested in getting hold of the uranium and their oil....  But this is my personal view.You seem to forget that Obama administration finalized in 2015 the Iran nuclear deal. It was signed by the permanent members of the Security Council (US, UK, France, Russia, China plus Germany and the European Union).  It was working very well indeed but Trump dismantled this agreement single handedly in 2018 just because it had been done by the Obama administration.  The other thing that Trump is desperate for is the Noble Peace Prize.  Really??????I am delighted that Starmer has said no to the war with Iran.  I do not want our chaps to go and fight somebody else's war.  No, no, no!That the Iranian regime is horrific, nobody would deny it. But, in Trump's customary approach that everybody is like the Wild West, just went into attack against Iran with no plan other than "they will capitulate to my wishes".  Well......  So far, the Iranian regime has been made stronger......Not a glowing report I would say.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2d