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The IDF and Israeli Police announced that the incident is under investigation.

The Jerusalem Post, November 27, 2025:- "Israeli forces kill two wanted Palestinian terrorists after apparent surrender in West BankThe IDF and the Israeli police said that they will investigate an incident in which Israeli forces shot at two wanted Palestinian terrorists after they appeared to surrender during operations in Jenin on Thursday.Israeli Border Police stated that they identified the building in which the terrorists were hiding and initiated an hours-long attempt to convince the two men to exit the building. When the terrorists refused to exit, Israeli forces used a backhoe to partially open the building's garage door.Video footage released by a Ramallah-based Quds Network shows two Palestinian men emerging from the dark, half-opened garage entrance in front of a number of Israeli Border Police officers.The Palestinian men raised their hands and lifted their shirts to reveal that they were unarmed while kneeling on the ground before attempting to re-enter the building.The video then shows the two men being shot by officers.The soldiers involved in the incident explained that when IDF soldiers attempted to check the men to see if they presented a security threat, they acted contrary to instructions, according to Army Radio.“One of the terrorists decided to enter the building contrary to the instructions, and the other terrorist entered after him, and therefore both were shot,” the soldier was quoted as saying.However, the video appears to clearly show that the terrorists were not running or walking away, but slowly crawling. Based on the slow speed at which the terrorists were moving and the close range, it would have been easy for the soldiers to shoot them in their legs to prevent them from crawling away, and there seemed to be no basis for killing them.Moreover, the video appears to show the sides communicating, and it is possible that the crawling away was part of a miscommunication, which also did not need to result in being killed.This incident occurred as Israeli Border Police personnel were operating in the Jenin area of the northern West Bank, with Israeli Air Force combat helicopters providing support to Commando Brigade forces on the ground, on Thursday afternoon.The military noted that the Border Police activities, under the command of the Menashe Brigade, are part of ongoing West Bank counterterrorism efforts.  National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir endorsed the soldiers' actions, announcing that he extends "full support to Border Guard and IDF fighters who fired at wanted terrorists who emerged from a building in Jenin," in a statement on X/Twitter."

David Ainsworth ● 25d38 Comments

Mr Ainsworth'"I have not looked at this video."Then get lost.'How adult.Don't you mean "Nah nah na nah nah" !Still avoiding answering the fundamental questions regarding your attitude to and malign obsession with Israel.I think you are frit !😟

John Hawkes ● 22d

"I have not looked at this video."Then get lost.

David Ainsworth ● 22d

Mr AinsworthI have not looked at this video.But as I said to you before.'I am not lazy.But unlike you I am not psychotically anti-Israel (or worse) and so I spend my time countering your hysterical accusations.What is it truly you have against Israel ?To you seemingly (!) the most evil country on the planet.You have never answered this question which you might have time to do if you spent less time simply looking for dirt and cherry picking incidents to back up your prejudice.'fess up !'So I still await you finding the time by stopping surfing the internet for gobbets of anti-Israel propaganda and answering the questions I have put to you repeatedly.1) What is the rationale and basis for your anti-Israel sentiment as exemplified by numerous posts ?2) Do you think Israel has the right to exist as a sovereign state in its current territory ? 3) What territory do you think Palestine should occupy ? More than Gaza and the West Bank ?4) What is your (brief) proposal for resolving this Middle East conflict ?I would respect you more if you sensibly addressed this issue in an adult manner rather than posting childish attacks on Israel alone.

John Hawkes ● 22d

"But is it not commendable and an indicator of the liberality of Israel that such a group exists?"Yes it is commendable. Glad that you found the video helpful.(I doubt that the Border Police did, when they found out).

David Ainsworth ● 23d

Mr Ainsworth'B'Tselem is also known as the Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories'It does not seem to have a particularly realistic and unbiased view of Israel.Its kumbaya-ish objective is laudable until when looks at the adjectives used and its interpretation of Israel's intentions.  'The essence of the *apartheid* regime in place between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea is to promote and *perpetuate the supremacy of one group over another*. B'Tselem works to change this reality, recognizing that this is the only way to realize a future in which human rights, liberty and equality are guaranteed to all human beings living here, Palestinians and Jews alike'.I wonder if all Palestinians would sign up to this.Or even the West Putney Palestinian Liberation Front.But is it not commendable and an indicator of the liberality of Israel that such a group exists ?What's its equivalent in Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Egypt....?

John Hawkes ● 23d

B'Tselem is also known as the Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories"Footage: Israeli soldiers executing two PalestiniansToday (Thursday), during an Israeli military raid on the city of Jenin in the northern West Bank, soldiers were filmed shooting two Palestinians at point-blank range, killing Yusef ’Asa’sah, 39 years old, and al-Muntaser bel-lah ‘Abdallah, 26 years old. The footage shows the two Palestinians, defined by the military as wanted, being brought out of the building by soldiers and surrendering to them. The soldiers then order them to go back inside and sit on the ground – and then execute them, apparently while posing no threat to the forces.B’Tselem’s Executive Director, Yuli Novak, said: “The execution documented today is the result of an accelerated process of dehumanization of Palestinians and the complete abandonment of their lives by the Israeli regime. In Israel, there is no mechanism that acts to stop the killing of Palestinians or is capable of prosecuting those responsible. It is therefore the duty of the international community to end Israel’s impunity and hold accountable those responsible for planning and carrying out its criminal policies against the Palestinian people.”"https://x.com/btselem/status/1994133431001977142?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

David Ainsworth ● 23d

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Gerry Boyce ● 23d

Mr AinsworthThis is simply a list or different views over what happened and I place no credence on those from 'Palestinian Human Rights groups (sic).And who are the international and human rights communities whose views you place so much store on who claim that the men had surrendered ?The UN is a busted flush so much is it biased against Israel  even to the extent that nine staff working for its Palestine refugee agency UNRWA were sacked because they may have been involved in the 7 October 2023 Hamas-led attacks against Israel. Are the Israelis likely to have carried out 'cold blooded killing' in view of all of the apparent 'video footage' you list ?Recording such acts is more the style of Hamas as was shown following the October pogrom they carried out. You have no unbiased or credible evidence that counters what Israeli sources claim namely - 'The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Border Police stated the men were "wanted terrorists" affiliated with a terror network and that a multi-hour surrender procedure had been initiated. Israeli officials claimed that the men "suddenly stopped following instructions and started heading back inside" before fire was directed toward them out of fear they might endanger the forces'. NOTE The IDF said the incident is under review, and as has happened in the past if due process shows illegal acts were carried out then the perpetrators will be appropriately punished.Just as happens in the Palestinian territories - NOT.I am not lazy.But unlike you I am not psychotically anti-Israel (or worse) and so I spend my time countering your hysterical accusations.What is it truly you have against Israel ?To you seemingly (!) the most evil country on the planet.You have never answered this question which you might have time to do if you spent less time simply looking for dirt and cherry picking incidents to back up your prejudice.'fess up !

John Hawkes ● 23d

"Who claims they had surrendered ?"Why do you claim that they hadn't?AI:- "Video footage and numerous eyewitness accounts indicate that the two Palestinian men killed by Israeli forces in Jenin in November 2025 were attempting to surrender. This interpretation has led to a widespread opinion, particularly among international bodies and human rights organizations, that the killings were a potential "summary execution" or "war crime". Different PerspectivesEyewitnesses and Video Footage: Multiple media outlets published video footage showing the men emerging from a building with their hands raised and their shirts lifted to show they were unarmed. According to these accounts, the men were then shot at point-blank range after being ordered back inside the building by soldiers.Palestinian Authority and Human Rights Groups: The Palestinian Authority (PA) condemned the incident as a "brutal field execution" and a "flagrant violation of all international laws". The UN human rights office stated the killings looked like an "apparent summary execution" and expressed alarm at the "brazen killing". Human rights groups have alleged it was a deliberate extrajudicial killing.Israeli Military and Government: The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Border Police stated the men were "wanted terrorists" affiliated with a terror network and that a multi-hour surrender procedure had been initiated. Israeli officials claimed that the men "suddenly stopped following instructions and started heading back inside" before fire was directed toward them out of fear they might endanger the forces. Israel's far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir publicly supported the soldiers' actions, stating that "terrorists must die". The IDF said the incident is under review. The general opinion in international and human rights communities is that the men had surrendered, a view largely supported by the video evidence. Conversely, the Israeli military maintains that the men broke from the surrender procedure, justifying the use of force."You are so lazy that I even have to show you the counter-arguments to use.

David Ainsworth ● 23d

Mr Brigo'However in the incident we are talking about - the subject of this very thread in fact - the two terrorists had surrendered. Who claims they had surrendered ?

John Hawkes ● 23d

Mr Ainsworth'"Israel’s far right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, offered his support for the security forces. “The fighters acted exactly as is expected from them — terrorists need to die!” he wrote on X." (NYT 28 Nov)National security minister!'God, you're dense.Israel is at war with Palestinian terrorist groups who everyone accepts, other than you, are fighting for the annihilation of Israel and the Jews.A cause I understand from your posts that you support though of course I may be wrong.Under the circumstances, the attitude of the Israeli National Security Minister is exactly what one would expect.Was this not rightly the position taken by the British Government when the UK was under terrorist attacks by the various flavours of the IRA ?And should it not, as is quite possible looking at the number of murders of British citizens by Islamists in recent years, be the attitude our Government should take were such terrorists rise up again ?Or do you think you will be safe in West Putney providing you are wearing your keffiyeh ?

John Hawkes ● 23d

"That is why it was perfectly legitimate for Jihad Al-Shamie, a British citizen of Syrian descent to be shot by UK police after two Jewish people were killed and three left in a serious condition after his car ramming and stabbing attack outside a synagogue in Manchester in October."I do agree it was right to shoot him, that was an on-going incident - 100% the right thing to do.However in the incident we are talking about - the subject of this very thread in fact - the two terrorists had surrendered. Killing your enemy after they have surrendered is a war crime.Do keep up.

Michael Brigo ● 23d

Mr Ainsworth'"they can be shot if they are deemed to pose a threat"Lot of deeming goes on there, doesn't it!'We are well aware that there is little deeming from you.Except of course when required to cover your Israelophobia and your seeming support for the actions of Palestinian terrorist groups such as Hamas, Al-Quds Brigades (Islamic Jihad), Al-Nasser Brigades (Popular Resistance Committee), Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades.All of which are committed to the annihilation of Israel which from your posts I would take it you would deem acceptable.

John Hawkes ● 23d

Well done, even if it did take you over 14 hours to produce your feigned outrage.

David Ainsworth ● 23d

Mr Brigo'So if you designate someone a terrorist then human rights laws no longer apply?'Typically, a member of the 'progessive' white bourgeoisie from West Putney such as yourself would be well informed about human rights laws to give cover for supporting attacks, in the name of 'freedom fighting', by Palestinian Arabs on Jews but show less concern  when Jews are attacked - be it in Israel or the streets of London.And yes if someone is designated a terrorist there will be circumstances when human rights laws no longer apply.That is why it was perfectly legitimate for Jihad Al-Shamie, a British citizen of Syrian descent to be shot by UK police after two Jewish people were killed and three left in a serious condition after his car ramming and stabbing attack outside a synagogue in Manchester in October.Do you not agree ?Let's hope you are not involved in any confrontation with an Islamic terrorist, for perhaps discussing with him/her the niceties of the ECHR might be less effective in saving your skin than someone from the Met Firearms Squad putting him away.

John Hawkes ● 23d

Mr Ainsworth'Normally it is spelt "Dummkopf". In O-level German anyway.'And in plain English, anyone who posts a comment such as this is a patronising, smug, self-satisfied git.I take your word for the spelling as I assume O-level German is the highest academic qualification you attained.

John Hawkes ● 23d

It was my German refugee mother who, like Tom Stoppard became a proud British person, taught me the word. It seems appropriate to use it in your case Mr Ainsworth.

Lucille Grant ● 24d

It was my German refugee mother who, like Tom Stoppard became a proud British person, taught me the word. It seems appropriate to use it in your case Mr Ainsworth.

Lucille Grant ● 24d

"they can be shot if they are deemed to pose a threat"Lot of deeming goes on there, doesn't it!

David Ainsworth ● 24d

"So if you designate someone a terrorist then human rights laws no longer apply?"Apparently so. "Israel’s far right national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, offered his support for the security forces. “The fighters acted exactly as is expected from them — terrorists need to die!” he wrote on X." (NYT 28 Nov)National security minister!

David Ainsworth ● 24d

Hamas are not dissidents to be treated according go the norms of civil society but armed insurgents to be treated according to the laws of war. This does not imply that they can be executed when surrendering, if that is what happened, which would be a war crime,but it does mean that they can be shot if they are deemed to pose a threat and otherwise they detained without trial until hostilities end.

Steven Rose ● 24d

Normally it is spelt "Dummkopf". In O-level German anyway.

David Ainsworth ● 24d

The Israeli cricket team are not terrorists you antisemitic  dummkof.

Lucille Grant ● 24d

So if you designate someone a terrorist then human rights laws no longer apply?

Michael Brigo ● 24d

"For goodness sake terrorists don’t play cricket or haven’t you noticed."Yes they do:-"The Israel national cricket team is the team that represents Israel in international cricket. Despite being geographically part of the Middle East, they are members of the European Cricket Council."

David Ainsworth ● 24d

They are not “enemy troops” but members of a prescribed terrorist organisation.  For goodness sake terrorists don’t play cricket or haven’t you noticed.

Robert Wheeler ● 24d

"When a country is at war and the killings are of members of enemy forces or supporters ?"A war crime it is, to kill enemy troops after they have surrendered.

Michael Brigo ● 24d

Mr Ainsworth"Was there any trouble in Israel before October 7th 2023?"My God.Don't you expend a lot of effort in trying to justify your Israelophobia !That is if one thinks googling is arduous and an adequate substitute for one's own original thought.I still don't have an understanding of your intellectual, political or even emotional basis for your Israelophobia even though I have declared my interest by asking you for it many times.So what about now ?Please enlighten me.How many of these conflicts were initiated by Israel attacking its neighbours and how many might be said to be a response to it itself being attacked ?No non-contextual Google snippets please; your own thoughts and analysis.And how do you think the current conflict should be resolved and what territories should Israel and a Palestinian state occupy ?I await your responses with genuine interest.

John Hawkes ● 24d

"conveniently forget that Hamas begun the war.""Was there any trouble in Israel before October 7th 2023?"Google AI replied:-"Yes, there was significant and long-standing conflict, violence, and political "trouble" in Israel and the Palestinian territories long before the Hamas attack on October 7, 2023. The 2023 attack was part of a decades-long history of the unresolved Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which includes numerous wars, intifadas (uprisings), military operations, and ongoing tensions. Key Events and Context Before October 7, 2023:Long-Standing Conflict: The broader Arab-Israeli and Israeli-Palestinian conflicts date back more than a century, with flashpoints building since before the establishment of Israel in 1948.Major Wars: Israel fought several major wars with neighboring Arab states and Palestinian factions, including the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the 1956 Suez Crisis, the 1967 Six-Day War, the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and the 1982 and 2006 Lebanon Wars.Intifadas: Two major Palestinian intifadas, or uprisings, occurred: the First Intifada (1987-1993) and the Second Intifada (2000-2005).Gaza Blockade and Conflicts: After Israel withdrew its settlers and military from within the Gaza Strip in 2005, it imposed a strict land, air, and sea blockade starting in 2007. This blockade, widely condemned as collective punishment, was a major source of tension and led to several conflicts between Israel and militant groups in Gaza, including major operations in 2008-2009, 2012, 2014, and 2021.Ongoing Violence and Tensions (Year 2023): The immediate months leading up to October 7, 2023, were marked by escalating violence, particularly in the West Bank. This included:Frequent Israeli military raids in Palestinian cities and refugee camps like Jenin and Nablus.Attacks on Palestinians by Israeli settlers and vice versa.Rocket fire from Gaza and Israeli airstrikes in response to specific incidents.Significant Israeli domestic protests for nine months prior to October 7 against the government's proposed judicial overhaul plan, indicating internal political turmoil as well. The situation was one of persistent, low-to-medium intensity conflict, which ultimately escalated into the full-scale war that began on October 7, 2023."

David Ainsworth ● 24d

Mr Hawkes I, for one, support you. Seems that people either refuse to admit to the horrors of 7 October or conveniently forget that Hamas begun the war.  As for the report you refer to it is up to those living in Israel to sort themselves out and not presumptuous armchair warriors on this site to do so. Am amazed that they aren't foaming at the mouth over Reeves' disastrous budget as they sit in their £2 million homes. I doubt that anybody who succeeds  Reeves or Starmer (as no doubt they will during the next 3 - 4 years) will be any better either. This country is unrecognisable from the one I grew up in.

Lucille Grant ● 24d

Mr Brigo'being "under attack metaphorically" justifies extra judicial killing does it?Praise the lord you aren't in charge.'This is a classic example of your lack of logical argument skills.I pointed out that Israel was not only under attack literally by Palestinians but also metaphorically by people like you.I do not know what extra-judicial killings you refer to but what qulifies as such and deserves such opprobrium from Isralophobes like youself when a country is at war and the killings are of members of enemy forces or supporters ?I very much doubt that anyone in Israel knows who the hell you are.As are I am  sure is the case for some Forum posters.But I am sure that your metaphoric (a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable) attacks from your privileged safety in Putney did not prompt the Israelis to kill anyone.

John Hawkes ● 24d

Mr Brigo'being "under attack metaphorically" justifies extra judicial killing does it?'You tell me with reference to what happened in the region on 7th October 2023.

John Hawkes ● 24d

Mr Ainsworth'You should feel happy that current and previous UK governments back you, as do most Forum readers, I imagine.'I think you and I are looking at different Fora and you are not referring to the current Labour Government.My impression is that most posters on this topic are like you - rabidly Israelophobic if not worse and staunch defenders of whatever the Palestinians do to claim or fight for a homeland.But not of course if this means the Palestinians withdrawing all demands for the annihilation of the state of Israel and then negotiating a territory and subsequently setting up a viable economic state to live alongside the only democratic and modern state in the region.

John Hawkes ● 24d

being "under attack metaphorically" justifies extra judicial killing does it?Praise the lord you aren't in charge.

Michael Brigo ● 24d

Thank you for a clear statement of your beliefs. You should feel happy that current and previous UK governments back you, as do most Forum readers, I imagine.So it goes.Graphic:-https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-forces-kill-two-palestinians-west-bank-who-appeared-be-surrendering-2025-11-27/

David Ainsworth ● 24d

Mr Ainsworth'"Israeli forces kill two wanted Palestinian terrorists after apparent surrender in West Bank".Note - 'apparent surrender'. I have not the time nor the inclination to put in the effort to refute the evidence you delight in gathering in order to defame Israel and attempt to portray it as the most evil country on the planet.This time from the JP which in Israel has the right to report such incidents and criticise the Government.Even though Israel is under constant attack both literally by Palestinians and metaphorically by Israelophobes or worse such as yourself. No such freedom of expression in Arab states to take other than a hostile and often antisemitic position regarding Israel. Your views will never change and nor will mine.I see Israel as the only economically sound democracy in the Middle East, something you will never acknowledge.I see the surrounding Arab states as backward and primitive - medieval even - delighting more in wallowing in a victim culture and releasing and expressing these feelings by attacking Israel.Perhaps you would explain why you take this attitude rather than just regurgitating press clippings that ostensibly support your prejudice. Whatever the answer you must be consoled by the tens of thousands that probably joined you in the pro-Palestine/anti-Israel march in London yesterday: the Palestinian contingent of which many might say would have better spent their time in their homeland trying to turn it from a failed state to a decent place of modern values in which to reside.

John Hawkes ● 24d

"Keep up the spewing of biased anti-Israel bile."Not my biased anti-Israel bile. Every word was from the Jerusalem Post."The Jerusalem Post, November 27, 2025:-"Israeli forces kill two wanted Palestinian terrorists after apparent surrender in West Bank"From the entry about the Jerusalem Post in Wikipedia:-"The paper describes itself as being in the Israeli political centre, which is considered to be centre-right by international standards; its editorial line is critical of political corruption, and supportive of the separation of religion and state in Israel."Perhaps you will tell us where your analysis of the full video differs from that of the Jerusalem Post.

David Ainsworth ● 25d

Mr Ainsworth'"Israeli forces kill two wanted Palestinian terrorists after apparent surrender in West Bank'I'm impressed by your obviously deep and practical experience in dealing with 'wanted Palestinian terrorists'.Doubtless in leafy West Putney you would have handled a terrorist situation by saying - "'allo, 'allo. Come here lads I want a word with you. Don't give me any trouble or I will have to call out the 'neighbourhood watch' and my friends Messrs Carter, Brigo and Boyce".Still your source is obviously a reputable one - 'Video footage released by a Ramallah-based Quds Network.'Quds News Network (Arabic: شبكة قدس الإخبارية, romanized: Shabakat Quds al-Ikhbārīyah; QNN) is a Palestinian youth news agency founded in 2011. The agency is staffed with volunteer correspondents across Palestine.[1] The network gained widespread following on social media around 2015 through its fast distribution video coverage of escalations in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, which had made it as popular as Al Jazeera, appealing particularly to young Palestinians.[2]According to Mondoweiss, the Palestinian Authority blocked QNN's website in 2019 as part of a crackdown on dissent.[3] Some of its pages were also blocked by some social media websites in 2019 and 2023.[4] The QNN states that it is independent and funds itself through advertisements, and that it aims to expose the acts of the Israeli occupation.[5] QNN was described as affiliated with Hamas during 2022–2023 by the Australian Jewish Association,[6] Jewish News Syndicate,[6] and The Guardian.(WOW _ JH)[7] Mondoweiss in 2019[3] and the Committee to Protect Journalists in 2025 retracted earlier statements in which they had stated that QNN was affiliated with Hamas.'Mondoweiss is an anti-Zionist[3] news website based in the United States'.Keep up the spewing of biased anti-Israel bile.Your support for the Palestinian goal of annihilating Israel, the only democracy and thriving economy in the Middle East and replacing it by one run by Muslims under the  effective control of Iran might just succeed.Were it not for the fact that Israel has an effective military and the Arab states could not run a kebab stall.

John Hawkes ● 25d