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Britain should look at and take steps to follow Israel

People's Israelophobia might range from 'anti-'the state of Israel' though anti-Zionism (whatever that might mean) to anti-Judaism and even to antisemitism.However they cannot deny that Israel is a unique sovereign state of which its citizens are united and proud to be a part, albeit, taking advantage of its freedoms, they might disagree on many political issues.Unfortunately we cannot say the same of the UK where Pakistanis in Birmingham and Bangladeshis in Tower Hamlets take delight in demonstrating there desire, even achievement, of separatism from British norms and culture. In a counter to an anti-immigration march by Reform supporters in Whitehall (its original route in East London having been banned by Police) in Tower Hamlets, lefties and masked young Muslims gathered to gloat over UKIP’s banishment from their borough.And there were also columns of young men in black barking religious slogans from behind their masks. These are ‘our streets’, they roared, and then ‘Allahu Akbar’.  It was the anti-Zionist chanting that was most unnerving. The black-clad mob denounced ‘Zionist scum’ (Jews) and promised to drive them ‘off our streets’. The mob waved the Palestine flag, chanted ‘From the river to sea!’, and promised to honour ‘all our martyrs’.We live in a divided and unsettled state becoming more and more riven by religious sectarian violence."The Islamo-left is on the march across Britain"https://www.spiked-online.com/?%2Fsite%2FI doubt if Starmer and the Labour Party have any plans to remedy this.They might however look to Israel for guidance as described below."What the West could learn from Israel"'The Jewish State stands as a glorious rebuke to the frailty of the 21st-century West'.https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/10/26/what-the-west-could-learn-from-israel/

John Hawkes ● 31d10 Comments

"Arrests as hundreds protest at Villa-Maccabi match"'Hundreds of protesters descended on Birmingham to demonstrate at the controversial Aston Villa match against Maccabi Tel Aviv.Eleven arrests were made amid a huge police operation, with more than 700 officers deployed for the Europa League game.A large number of pro-Palestinian supporters waved banners and flags outside Villa Park, while a smaller group of pro-Israeli campaigners marched towards the ground in the wake of the decision to ban away fans.Ch Supt Tom Joyce said the vast police presence had been necessary due to several groups arranging protests and counter-protests'.BBC NewsPlans for protests were drawn up earlier in the week lead by Naeem Malik, chair of West Midlands Palestine Solidarity Campaign, who said there had been national outrage over the hosting of the Israeli team.(Anyone experienced much outrage in Putney ?)'The calls to cancel this match have been ignored despite the risks that it carries, therefore we must urge activists to unite in protest against this match," he said.(Risks of course of pro-Palestine supporter-lead violence).Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Stop the War Coalition, Muslim Association of Britain, Friends of Al-Aqsa, Kashmir solidarity campaign and Palestinian Forum in Britain had called for the match to be cancelled and jointly organised one of the protests.(What a ghastly sounding set of Monty Pythonesque organisations).Independent MP for Birmingham Perry Barr, Ayoub Khan, was among the most vocal opponents of the game taking place and attended a demonstration outside Villa Park, leading a chant of Free, Free Palestine.(A UK MP though born in Pakistan, and we pay his salary).I wonder if the West Putney Palestine Solidarity Campaign, or as they are also called the Palestine Solidarity Campaign of West Putney, lead by prominent posters on this Forum also joined in the protest !

John Hawkes ● 20d

Ms McNultyWhat is your definition of 'right wing' and are you using the term in a derogatory manner ?

John Hawkes ● 23d

I think many countries already do - mainly right wing regimes it has to be said Read Anthony Loewenstein

Lynne McNulty ● 23d

Ms BondWhat does TLTR mean ?And this ?I note you fail to answer any points I made in response to your opening salvo.Why bother to post ?

John Hawkes ● 24d

TLTR.On your last point - the arrogance that it might be got away with would be a huge part of it.I seriously think you should take a look at/make a note of all the films and videos, and computer games and even the childrens' cartoons nowadays which are not just violent but viciously violent with everyone beating each other up and getting their own back as well as disposing of each other.  That sort of media is what is much more blatantly available to everyone to see and experience nowadays at home despite whatever rating it may have been given by censors.

Philippa Bond ● 24d

Ms Bond'And Israel keeps on bombing not just Gaza (what happened to the ceasefire and the end of war?) but other countries too.'Israel is at war with the Palestinian 'state' of Gaza because it was attacked by its proxy army Hamas in October 2023 as you well know.In a war you do not stop the fight until you have won and destroyed the fighting capability of your enemy which is what the UK did with Germany in WWII.To my knowledge, and I would be happy for you to produce evidence to show I am wrong, Hamas has not formally agreed to no longer subscribe to its Charter which calls for the annihilation of Israel and its Jewish citizens.And further more it has not agreed to disarm which should not be an issue for it were it to declare it will no longer adhere to its Charter.As such the war is not over and Israel is still under threat.In the mean time of course Hamas is scrabbling around looking for body parts of those women, children and the elderly it killed in the October 2023 pogrom, in order to return them to Israel for a religious burial.Does this not make you sick ?On your point of Israel bombing other countries, which ones are they and what do you suppose is the reason for it to do so ?

John Hawkes ● 24d

And Israel keeps on bombing not just Gaza (what happened to the ceasefire and the end of war?) but other countries too.

Philippa Bond ● 25d

Mr Boyce'Hmmm! Is that an eye-witness, first hand account or an opinion from another source?'From the MSM.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15226177/Police-arrest-left-wing-protesters-UKIP-demonstration-London.html"Masked Muslim youths take to east London streets to 'defend our community' after police banned UKIP march to 'reclaim' the area"'A group of masked Muslim youths took to the streets of east London today vowing to be 'ready to defend their community' after police banned a planned UKIP protest to 'reclaim' the area.Many young men dressed in black, with hoods up and their faces covered, could be seen as Bangladesh and Palestine flags were waved at the demonstration on streets where UKIP had originally intended to march.One protester at the Whitechapel demo took to a microphone promising to 'stand firm' in defending their community from far-right protesters'. Do 'communities' now control the streets of London and determine who can do what in them ?Previous to this a UKIP march in the area had been banned by the Met.On a point of interest do any of these Muslim protesters ever march without wearing a balaclava and face mask ?Who do they wish should not identify them or is the uniform one to intimidate those that disagree with them ?Still unlike in Palestine, they are not yet carrying Kalashnikovs !

John Hawkes ● 29d

Hmmm! Is that an eye-witness, first hand account or an opinion from another source? Thank you.

Gerry Boyce ● 30d

'Unfortunately we cannot say the same of the UK where Pakistanis in Birmingham and Bangladeshis in Tower Hamlets take delight in demonstrating there desire, even achievement, of separatism from British norms and culture.In a counter to an anti-immigration march by Reform supporters in Whitehall (its original route in East London having been banned by Police) in Tower Hamlets, lefties and masked young Muslims gathered to gloat over UKIP’s banishment from their borough.And there were also columns of young men in black barking religious slogans from behind their masks. These are ‘our streets’, they roared, and then ‘Allahu Akbar’. It was the anti-Zionist chanting that was most unnerving. The black-clad mob denounced ‘Zionist scum’ (Jews) and promised to drive them ‘off our streets’.'The Tower Hamlets display by Muslim zealots was appalling and frightening. What starts there won't end there.

Lucille Grant ● 30d