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Some recent polls which confirm your post:-YougovJune 03, 2025."Net favourability towards Israel reaches new lows in key Western European countriesFew Western Europeans see Israel’s attacks in Gaza as proportionate or justified""Overall, only 13-21% in any country have a favourable opinion of Israel, compared to 63-70% who have an unfavourable view.Few Western Europeans approve of Israel’s conduct in Gaza. Only between 6% and 16% in our six EuroTrack countries believe that “Israel were right to send troops into Gaza and have generally responded in a proportionate way to the Hamas attacks” – down slightly from the prior survey in October last year.""Unsurprisingly therefore, fewer Europeans now continue to see the Israeli military operations in Gaza as justified. Approximately a quarter of French, Germans and Danes (24-25%) still see justification for the ongoing attacks, compared to 18% in Britain and 9% in Italy, the lowest figure.At the same time, the number Europeans who think the original Hamas attacks in late 2023 were justified continues to be low in each country (5-9%)."https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/52279-net-favourability-towards-israel-reaches-new-lows-in-key-western-european-countriesGallup:-PoliticsJuly 29, 2025"32% in U.S. Back Israel's Military Action in Gaza, a New LowAmericans’ approval of Israel’s military action in Gaza has fallen 10 percentage points since the prior measurement in September, and it is now at 32%, the lowest reading since Gallup first asked the question in November 2023. Disapproval of the military action has now reached 60%."https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-military-action-gaza-new-low.aspx

David Ainsworth ● 4d

Gerry, I don’t think it is fair to accuse John of ‘hounding’ female contributors on the Forum. He is certainly robust in his defence of Israel at times but there is no evidence that he picks on women. And Michael, unless you have a degree in medicine with a specialisation in psychiatry, I don’t think you are qualified to make judgments about the mental health of John or anyone else. Let’s just stick to the issues.Clearly no one is obliged to answer questions on the Forum but, equally, contributors are free to ask questions, to comment when these questions go unanswered and to draw conclusions from the ensuing silence. I am disappointed that my last question about genocide has not elicited a response. If, in the absence of evidence of a plan to exterminate the population of Gaza, you regard the number of civilians killed as proof of genocide, it is fair to ask whether you consider the Allies guilty of genocide during the Second World War  given the hundreds of thousands of German and Japanese civilians killed in air raids. If you don’t think Churchill was a war criminal, then you are clearly judging Israel by standards which you don’t apply to your own country. And according to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance protocol, accepted by the UK and the EU, judging Israel by standards which are more severe than those applied to other countries is a form of anti-Semitism.The accusation of genocide is unjustified, a blood libel in fact, but I think Israel has a case to answer over reckless initiatives by the IDF on occasions to take out Hamas militants. In today’s ’Telegraph’ there is a report of a huge row between Gen Yaniv Astor, head of the army’s southern command, and Mag Gen Tomer Bar, the air force commander.  Apparently Astor complained that his requests for air strikes were routinely turned down by Bar, over concerns about civilian casualties. In the end Lt Gen Eyal Zamir, chief of staff of the IDF, had to intervene to stop the shouting match. The row illustrates that the truth about the conflict in Gaza is more nuanced than some would think. There have been reckless initiatives but it is unfair to suggest that Israel has shown no restraint.

Steven Rose ● 5d

Mr Boyce'The reason I say Netanyahu and his cabal want genocide is because of what they have said and are doing'.1) Where have 'Netanyahu and his cabal' said they want to commit genocide towards the Palestinians ?'Genocide is violence that targets individuals because of their membership of a group and aims at the destruction of a people. Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term, defined genocide as "the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence'.Is this now accepted Israeli government policy ?You will I assume concede that the call for the annihilation of Israel and its Jewish citizens by Hamas is a call for genocide ?Do you agree with them ?(Sorry if I have asked you this before, but as a bloke I am sure you can take it without an attack of the vapours and give a straight answer).The quote you post from some extreme Israeli politician will count for as much as that from Mahmoud Abbas, unelected leader seemingly forever, of the Palestine Authority.'In a speech to members of his Fatah party in August 2023, Mr Abbas denied the Holocaust was "not about antisemitism", and instead said Hitler’s horrific killing of six million Jews was because of “their social role", which had to do with "usury, money and so on”.In the same speech, he denied that European Jews had any lineage based in the Middle East, a widely discredited theory.“When we hear them talk about Semitism and antisemitism — the Ashkenazi Jews, at least, are not Semites,” Mr Abbas said.In a speech to the UN in May 2023, Mr Abbas compared Israel to the Nazis and said the country lied like Joseph Goebbels.“Israeli and Zionist claims continue by saying that Israel made the desert bloom. As if Palestine was a desert and they made the desert bloom,” Mr Abbas said at the UN event honouring the Palestinian Nakba.“These are lies,” he said.“They continue to lie, like Goebbels, and they continue to lie until people believe their lies and they continue therefore their false claims by saying that Israel made the desert bloom. Palestine was never a desert.”During a meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz in 2022, Mr Abbas also accused Israel of committing “50 holocausts” against Palestine since 1947.“If we want to dig further into the past, yes, please, I have 50 massacres that were committed by Israel,” Mr Abbas said.“Fifty massacres, 50 Holocausts, and to this day, every day, we have dead people killed by the (Israeli Defence Forces), by the Israeli army.”Is that not a fascist and racist call by a leader of the Palestinians for genocide towards the Jews ?2) Where are Israel committing genocide against the Palestinians and how many innocent civilians (not Hamas terrorists) have they killed ? I am sorry you think me ungallant for disputing this issue with women that post on this Forum.I assume it is fine for me to ask men such as yourself questions on this issue but not women ?But OK.They, poor delicate flowers, can have a free rein to post whatever opinion they want without a response from me.And you can take your intellectual leadership on the matter from a minor Jewish actress.'Give it a break, you're sounding like an utter twat!'If personal insult is what you resort to when your intellect dries up I think perhaps you are getting a little desperate.Let's face it.You think Israel can do no right and the Palestinians no wrong.I take a more nuanced view that Israel is fighting for survival from attacks by Palestinians.I the fog of war it will make mistakes in the actions it takes with often terrible consequences.The motives of Hamas and other Palestinians, including their leader Abbas I am more sceptical of.So we will never come to any common understanding.

John Hawkes ● 6d

Mr Boyce'As regards Israel being a democracy is concerned and Netanyahu acting with the consent of his cabinet and the Knesset, yes that is a simple version of it. The other version is that he leads an incredibly delicate coalition which includes far-right extremists who have played a political blinder... a textbook case of the tail wagging the dog. They want genocide and territory, he wants to avoid prosecution and scrutiny. Simple quid pro quo; Palestinians can pay the price, and the hostages, the reputation of Israel and the wider jewish community can pick up the tab as well.'Damn messy business democracy wot ?That's why Hamas and the Palestine Authority will have nothing to do with it.'They want genocide'.Well were that in any way true the Jews in Israel are one of the few peoples that have truly experienced it.You choose to forget that and also that this experience might justifiably influence how Israel reacts.Just to remind you 6,000,000 Jews and wider friends and relations were impacted by this in WWII.I find that the way you bandy about the term with regard the Jews so casually not only shows you historically ignorant but morally repugnant.If Hamas is no longer a threat then I am glad.Are you ?But is it not for Israel which was invaded by them to decide on that fact ?Not some keyboard 'freedom fighter' in West Putney.As regard Netanyahu wanting to avoid prosecution and scrutiny and wages this war to achieve this, that is just fake news in your conspiratorial head.Israel you might have forgotten has an independent Parliament and judiciary whose wheels might grind exceeding slow but grind they will if he has any cases to answer.And of course you come up with the old antisemitic trope "they want territory"."Those avaricious, money grabbing Jews at it again eh".  BTW has the UN Security Council made overtures to get involved in this dispute ?You ask 'My only question to you is, why the hell do you go along with this stuff? It's not as if you stand to gain anything by it.'The same could be said of your unwavering uncritical support of Hamas and Palestinian terrorism.My answer is that I am shocked by the continual attacks on Israel from all sides of the media including this little meaningless Forum, as if it were the most evil nation on the planet.I am unconvinced by the arguments put forward against it, many of which are just antisemitism 'that cannot speak its name'.Antisemitism that is spreading in the UK.And I am fearful that after this will come growing Islamic and Islamist influence on this country which should in my view be nipped in the bud.

John Hawkes ● 6d

Gerry, a cliché’ is not necessarily false, but the fact that people repeat it does  not make it true. I have no idea what Netanyahu’s motives are and neither do you or Jeremy Bowen or anyone else. Whatever his motives, he cannot act without the consent of the Knesset, where a majority of the members support the continuation of the war against Hamas, though individuals may well disagree about the tactics. The reason that they support the war, however reluctantly, is that they don’t think Israel will ever be safe while Hamas runs Gaza.On the wider question of the West Bank, I don’t think the continuing construction of settlements (which I personally oppose) is related to the conflict in Gaza. The religious fanatics in Netanyahu’s have always believed that God gave the whole of Judea and Samaria to the Jewish people. But the more secular elements in his administration think that settlements are the best way to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state on the West Bank, which they see as a threat to Israel given that 80% of the Palestinian electorate support Hamas. No one wants genocide. That is simply a blood libel.Hamas may no longer represent a strategic threat to Israel but they have not been destroyed as a fighting force and are still holding hostages. In an earlier post you said that Israel should stop its onslaught and Hamas should return the hostages and leave Gaza. I agree with that. Unfortunately Hamas don’t agree. They wish to stay in Gaza and use the hostages as bargaining  chips. Do you think that Israel should declare a unilateral ceasefire, leaving what remains of Hamas intact and still holding the hostages?

Steven Rose ● 6d

"Israeli cabinet meeting postponed as tensions rise over Netanyahu’s occupation plan. Officials said prime minister was planning offensive to fully occupy Gaza, but resistance reveals splits in government.An Israeli security cabinet meeting, which had been expected to discuss Benjamin Netanyahu’s call for the “full occupation” of Gaza, has been postponed amid mounting tensions over whether the plan is feasible.Amid a stalling of ceasefire negotiations with Hamas, Israeli officials had briefed local and international media that the prime minister was considering an expansive offensive, aimed at taking full control of the Palestinian territory after 22 months of war against the militant group Hamas.However, senior Israeli military officers and former senior commanders warned the plan would endanger the lives of the remaining Israeli hostages held by Hamas, risk further international isolation of Israel and require Israeli soldiers to administer a population in which Hamas fighters were still present.Any move towards full occupation is likely to be strongly resisted by large parts of the international community, already horrified by the conduct of Israel’s military campaign.Wounded Palestinians lie on the floor in the emergency ward of the Nasser hospital in Khan Younis after sustaining injuries while seeking humanitarian aid on 24 July.‘Heartbreaking’: a London surgeon on the trials of operating in a Gaza hospitalRead moreIsrael’s scorched-earth campaign has already obliterated large parts of Gaza, killing more than 60,000 people, mostly civilians, forcing nearly all of Gaza’s more than 2 million people from their homes and causing what a global hunger monitor last week called an unfolding famine.That has caused widespread international anger and prompted several European countries to say they would recognise a Palestinian state next month if there was no ceasefire, amid mounting calls for sanctions against Israel.The disquiet follows briefings to Israeli journalists on Monday saying that Netanyahu had decided the expanded offensive was a foregone conclusion.“The die has been cast. We’re going for the full conquest of the Gaza Strip – and defeating Hamas,” the unnamed sources said, quoting Netanyahu.By Tuesday, however, evidence had emerged of deep splits between Netanyahu and senior military officials, including the chief of staff, Eyal Zamir, who reportedly voiced opposition to the plan, prompting calls for his dismissal.Absent a security cabinet meeting, Netanyahu did meet security officials, but not in a decision-making setting. His office said later that the Israeli military would carry out any decision made in cabinet.Military analysts in the Israeli media, channelling some defence officials, were also sceptical. Writing in Yedioth Ahronoth, the military affairs commentator Yossi Yehoshua described the risks of the proposal. “Hostages … will die, large numbers of IDF [Israel Defense Forces] soldiers will be killed as well as a serious logistical problem – where to house the roughly 1 million civilians who are now in Gaza City.“Currently, Israel simply doesn’t have legitimacy either to continue to fight in Gaza or to establish a city of refugees on its ruins.”"https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/05/israeli-cabinet-meeting-postponed-doubts-raised-benjamin-netanyahu-occupation-plan

David Ainsworth ● 7d