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Mr BrigoAs you have now taken up the position of defending QC for Hamas I acknowledge your rebuttal of my case which was based upon statements made by a UN official.But firstly only the most dense would accept any figures put out by Hamas (sorry the 'Gazan Health Ministry) which even you might agree cannot be considered a neutral expert witness.As to the other sources you quote, who has verified their methodology for data collection ?Is that explained amongst the vast net trawl you have landed,Anyway.Keep defending the indefensible.Someone has to.Oh and any comment on this report from the fascist right wing Daily Mail ?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14881371/hamas-gang-rape-victims-october-7-attacks.html"Victims of the Hamas-led massacre in Israel were said to have been found partially or fully naked with their hands tied, with evidence of gang rapes followed by execution, and genital mutilation, according to a new report.The Dinah Project's report, commissioned to 'counter denial, misinformation and global silence', will be published on Tuesday and illustrate how 'Hamas used sexual violence as a tactical weapon of war' during its October 7, 2023 incursion, according to The Times, which reviewed the report.The project, part-funded by the British government, brings together all available evidence in finding 'clear patterns emerged' in how sexual violence was perpetrated. The report concludes violence was 'widespread and systematic' during the attacks.It is said to include previously untold descriptions of alleged violence at the Nova music festival near the border with Gaza, on the Israeli highway Route 232, at the military base at Nahal Oz, and the Re'im, Nir Oz and Kfar Aza kibbutzim.It includes testimonies from 15 hostages who have returned to Israel since the assault, a survivor of alleged attempted rape at the Nova music festival, and interviews with witnesses, first responders and therapists treating traumatised survivors.'Dozens' of victims were said to have 'often' been found tied to 'trees or poles'. Many returning from captivity in Gaza also described 'forced nudity, physical and verbal harassment, sexual assaults and threats of forced marriage', it says.'Many of the witnesses spoke of the victims being shot and them still trying to rape a dead body,' said Sharon Zagagi-Pinhas, a former chief military prosecutor of the Israeli army who has been working with project founder Professor Ruth Halperin-Kaddari".Probably IDF propaganda of course....

John Hawkes ● 17d

your figure of 0.09375% is incorrect - as you can see below most credible independent estimates put the percentage at between 2.9% and 3.8%. and that EXCLUDES people who are dead under rubble and not counted or people like the children who are starving to death.I don't really know why i'm bothering to post the below as you won't actually read it.Estimates of the *percentage of Gaza's population killed in the war* vary depending on the source and methodology, but several independent studies and official figures provide a clear range:- *Pre-war population of Gaza:* Approximately 2.2 million people[4][5][7][8].- *Official reported deaths:* As of early July 2025, the Gaza Health Ministry reports over *57,000–62,000 deaths*[1][2][3][7].- *Independent estimates:* Some studies, such as those published in The Lancet and by other research groups, estimate the actual death toll could be *64,000–84,000*, accounting for both direct and indirect deaths (including those from disease, starvation, or lack of medical care)[3][4][8][9].### Calculated Percentages| Estimate Source      | Deaths      | Percentage of Population ||----------------------|-------------|-------------------------|| Gaza Health Ministry | ~57,000–62,000 | 2.6%–2.8%              || The Lancet (Jan 2025)| 64,260      | ~2.9%                  || Nature (June 2025)  | 84,000      | ~3.8%                  |- *Most credible independent estimates* put the death toll at around *2.9% to 3.8%* of Gaza's pre-war population[4][8].- This means *roughly 1 in every 26 to 35 residents* of Gaza has been killed in the war[4][5][8].These figures do *not* include the many thousands still missing under rubble or those who died from indirect causes, so the true percentage could be higher[4][7][8].Citations:[1] Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war[2] More than 55,000 Palestinians have been killed in the Israel ... https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/spotlights/2025/more-than-55000-palestinians-have-been-killed-in-the-israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-officials-say/[3] Gaza: What is the actual death toll, and how can we be sure? - DW https://www.dw.com/en/gaza-what-is-the-actual-death-toll-and-how-can-we-be-sure/a-73136975[4] Deaths from Israeli attacks in Gaza undercounted by 41 ... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/10/deaths-from-israeli-attacks-in-gaza-undercounted-by-41-percent-study-finds[5] The human toll of Israel's war on Gaza – by the numbers - Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/15/the-human-toll-of-israels-war-on-gaza-by-the-numbers[6] Nearly 70% of Gaza war dead women and children - UN https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn5wel11pgdo[7] Israel-Gaza war in maps and charts: Live tracker - Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2023/10/9/israel-hamas-war-in-maps-and-charts-live-tracker[8] First independent survey of deaths in Gaza reports more ... - Nature https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-02009-8[9] Gaza war death toll could be significantly higher, researchers say https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjvl4klzweo[10] Indirect Deaths from War in Gaza and the West Bank, October 7 ... https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/papers/2024/IndirectDeathsGaza

Michael Brigo ● 17d

Mr Rose'A peacekeeping force in Gaza sounds like a good idea'.But of what would it comprise The UN seems to have lost all credibility as a neutral commentator and arbitrator regarding the situation "There are "reasonable grounds" to believe that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories said on Tuesday. Francesca Albanese was speaking at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva, where she presented her latest report, entitled ‘Anatomy of a Genocide’, during an interactive dialogue with Member States.“Following nearly six months of unrelenting Israeli assault on occupied Gaza, it is my solemn duty to report on the worst of what humanity is capable of, and to present my findings,” she said. “There are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the crime of genocide…has been met.” This woman is obviously thick, biased and insensitive to accuse Israel, a country that REALLY knows what genocide means, of committing such a crime.Gaza has a population of 2,400,000."Authorities in Gaza reported on Monday that more than 45,000 people have been killed in the enclave in the last 14 months, as humanitarians condemned new deadly airstrikes across the war-torn Strip, including on a UN school-turned-shelter."Who knows how many of those killed were not Hamas terrorist fighters ?Let's say 50%.So 22,500 from a population of 2.4 million is, if my maths are right, 0.09375%.All civilian deaths are regrettable. but it is despicable for a likely highly overpaid UN 'official' to make political capital of it by calling it genocide.The only plausible peacekeeping force would be an unofficial alliance between the US and the Gulf States/Saudi.

John Hawkes ● 17d

Ms Holliday'A senior officer in Hamas's security forces has told the BBC the Palestinian armed group has lost about 80% of its control over the Gaza Strip and that armed clans are filling the void.'I read that too.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gk79xlzwjo.ampLooks like the Islamist terror group is on its last legs, probably much to the consternation of the West Putney Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the West Putney Palestine Liberation Front.And what has it achieved ?From reading below, nothing of benefit to the ordinary Palestinian and the aberrance of the civilised world.But one would have expected little more from a bunch of barbaric antisemitic racist terrorists for whom killing is a good substitute for work or society building.And if they can't fight Israelis they will just fight each other.Is that an Arabic trait ?Come back Lawrence of Arabia !No mention though of the release of the hostages it has taken and the corpses of those Israelis it has murdered."In the messages, (to the BBC) the officer painted a picture of Hamas's internal disintegration and the near-total collapse of security across Gaza, which the group governed before the conflict."Let's be realistic here - there's barely anything left of the security structure. Most of the leadership, about 95%, are now dead... The active figures have all been killed," he said. "So really, what's stopping Israel from continuing this war?""Logically, it has to continue until the end. All the conditions are aligned: Israel has the upper hand, the world is silent, the Arab regimes are silent, criminal gangs are everywhere, society is collapsing."Last September, Israel's then-defence minister declared that "Hamas as a military formation no longer exists" and that it was engaged in guerrilla warfare.According to the officer, Hamas attempted to regroup during the 57-day ceasefire with Israel earlier this year, reorganizing its political, military, and security councils.But since Israel ended the truce in March, it has targeted Hamas's remaining command structures, leaving the group in disarray."About the security situation, let me be clear: it has completely collapsed. Totally gone. There's no control anywhere," he said."People looted the most powerful Hamas security apparatus (Ansar), the complex which Hamas used to rule Gaza."They looted everything, the offices - mattresses, even zinc panels - and no-one intervened. No police, no security."Members of the Hamas-run Gaza police force stand next to destroyed buildings at the Arafat Police Academy, in Gaza City, during a ceasefire with Israel (22 January 2025)The officer said a consequence of the security vacuum was gangs or armed clans were "everywhere"."They could stop you, kill you. No one would intervene. Anyone who tried to act on their own, like organising resistance against thieves, was bombed by Israel within half an hour."So, the security situation is zero. Hamas's control is zero. There's no leadership, no command, no communication. Salaries are delayed, and when they do arrive, they're barely usable. Some die just trying to collect them. It's total collapse."On 26 June, at least 18 people were killed when an Israeli drone strike targeted a plainclothes Hamas police unit attempting to assert control over a market in Deir al-Balah, accusing vendors of price gouging and selling looted aid, witnesses and medics said.The Israeli military said it struck "several armed terrorists" belonging to Hamas's Internal Security Forces.In this vacuum, six armed groups affiliated with powerful local clans have emerged as serious contenders to fill the void, according to the officer.These groups have access to money, weapons and men, and are active across all of Gaza, but mostly in the south.One of them is led by Yasser Abu Shabab, a figure who has attracted attention from the Palestinian Authority, which is based in the occupied West Bank and is a rival to Hamas, as well as regional players - particularly after Israel confirmed last month that it was supplying him with weapons.The officer confirmed that Hamas had placed a large bounty on Abu Shabab's head, fearing he could become a unifying figure for its many enemies."Hamas would ignore ordinary thieves. People are hungry and [the fighters] don't want to provoke more chaos. But this guy? If the Hamas fighters find him, they might go after him instead of Israeli tanks."Sources in Gaza told the BBC that Abu Shabab was working to co-ordinate with other armed groups to form a joint council aimed at toppling Hamas.Armed members of a local clan said they accompanied a convoy of UN aid lorries in northern Gaza to protect it from looting last month.A retired Palestinian security official, who was part of the force that cracked down on Hamas's military wing in 1996 following a wave of bombings in Israel, said Abu Shabab's network was gaining traction."Abu Shabab's group is like an orphaned child who everyone will want to adopt if he succeeds in undermining Hamas rule," said the official, who now lives in Cairo."Publicly, all sides deny links to the armed groups in Gaza. But Abu Shabab has met a senior Palestinian intelligence officer three times and sent messages of assurance to the Egyptians through relatives in Sinai," he claimed.He also said Abu Shabab "maintains good ties with Mohammad Dahlan's camp". Dahlan is a former Gaza security chief who has lived in exile since he fell out with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas 15 years ago.The Hamas security officer warned the group was "willing to do anything" to eliminate Abu Shabab not because of his current military strength, but out of fear he could become a symbol around which all of Hamas's adversaries rally."For 17 years, Hamas made enemies everywhere. If someone like Abu Shabab can rally those forces, that could be the beginning of the end for us."As Gaza is plunged further into lawlessness, with entire neighbourhoods descending into gang rule, Hamas finds itself not just under Israeli fire but increasingly surrounded by rivals from within".The key issue now is who will clean up this mess ?In theory it should be the UN, but that institution has lost much of its credibility in the conflict with the implicit even explicit support it and its senior officers have given Hamas and the opprobrium it has tried to heap on Israel.But at least the world can now see Hamas for what it really is.

John Hawkes ● 17d

"The Dahiya doctrine, or Dahya doctrine, is an Israeli military strategy involving the large-scale destruction of civilian infrastructure, or domicide, to pressure hostile governments. The doctrine was outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot. Israel colonel Gabi Siboni wrote that Israel "should target economic interests and the centers of civilian power that support the organization". The logic is to cause difficulties for the civilian population so much that they will then turn against the militants, forcing the enemy to sue for peace""CriticismCounterproductivePaul Rogers argues that in their using the Dahiya doctrine in the Israel–Hamas war, Israel will fail in its goal of eradicating Hamas, which will come back in a different form, unless "some way is found to begin the very difficult task of bringing the communities together."Violation of international lawRichard Falk wrote that under the doctrine, "the civilian infrastructure of adversaries such as Hamas or Hezbollah are treated as permissible military targets, which is not only an overt violation of the most elementary norms of the law of war and of universal morality, but an avowal of a doctrine of violence that needs to be called by its proper name: state terrorism."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrineApparently Israel still claims to fear Hamas, even in ruined Gaza, despite having overwhelming superiority in weaponry. Israel will carry on, but I doubt that they will do it as a result of any fear.

David Ainsworth ● 18d

Mr Hawkes. I find your response very sad and negative when I was trying to be positive. Yes, I should have said now Hamas and Israel are going to attend talks in Qatar ... but I drafted it in a hurry in response to these comment in a BBC news article:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g8p24zm3voHeadlined: "Israel sends negotiators to Gaza talks despite 'unacceptable' Hamas demands, PM says"Israel has decided to send a delegation to Qatar on Sunday for proximity talks with Hamas on the latest proposal for a Gaza ceasefire and hostage release deal.Beginning text: "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said he had accepted the invitation despite what he described as the "unacceptable" changes that Hamas wanted to make to a plan presented by mediators from Qatar, the US and Egypt.
On Friday night, Hamas said it had delivered a "positive response" to the proposal for a 60-day ceasefire and that it was ready for negotiations."Hence, it was foremost in my mind that Hamas had responded Friday and Israel today; hence I mentioned Israel as that was more recent, but both were now going giving a glimmer of hope. If you wish to read that as being negative I find that very sad when it wasn't intended as "victim shaming" as you inferred.You could, of course, had pointed out that I'd put release of the hostages as the first point in my list of hopes as that should be a top priority? But you chose not too.I've no love of Hamas or other terrorists, or undemocratic and authoritan states, but I am a pragmatist and believe that in the end it's like only talking will obtain peace. Otherwise, I feel there'll be constant conflict in the middle east for a long time. But, if you disagree what's you positive solution to the conflict? Perhaps for a separate thread as we've already dashed Ivonne's and Jonathan's hopes, although I suppose you think that's my fault for not expressing my wish for peace better.

Michael Ixer ● 18d

Mr Ixer'that now Israel is sending negotiators to Qatar we might have peace in the middle east with all hostages returned, the stopping of further killing, and continuing food, medicine, water, power aid distributed to those in need of it'.Implicit criticism that Israel was the only party unwilling to negotiate whilst Hamas of course always was.Victim shaming.Have Hamas committed to attend ?Who will lead their negotiating team ?Kill not talk is their usual modus operandi.Are they likely to reveal and apologise for the atrocities they carried out when they attacked Israel in October 2023 ?And do you really think their word is worth more than a camel's spit ? If they attend at all, the 'leaders' will be doing so for PR reasons and trying to get in Israel's 'good book'.But I doubt Israel will forget who they are and what they did.And Mossad has a long memory and a long reach.Interesting analysis of the Middle East conflict for those with open minds and not rabidly anti-Israel or worse, showing the political complexity and discord in the Arab states."Could Hebron join the Abraham Accords"?'https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/could-hebron-join-the-abraham-accords/'the Arab world is divided into two categories of states. The failing states – Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, Yemen – are all patchworks of sectarian, tribal and ethnic groups forced into artificial unity by post-colonial fiat. The successful ones – the Gulf monarchies, particularly the United Arab Emirates – are coherent clan-based structures where legitimacy flows from traditional authority, not abstract ideology.Kedar argues that **Palestinian society fits the former mould: deeply clannish, inherently fragmented, and resistant to imposed national identities. The PLO and later the Palestinian Authority attempted to overwrite these loyalties with a centralised nationalist bureaucracy. The result? Corruption, repression, and dysfunction. As Kedar put it, ‘the PA is illegitimate… just like Assad in Syria or Gaddafi in Libya.’**

John Hawkes ● 18d

Mr EvansIsrael has been accepted by all international bodies as a legitimate state equal in status with say the UK.From Wikipedia -'As of June 2024, the State of Israel is recognized as a sovereign state by 164 of the other 192 member states of the United Nations. The State of Israel was formally established by the Israeli Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948, and was admitted to the United Nations (UN) as a full member state on 11 May 1949. It also maintains bilateral ties with all of the UNSC Permanent Five. 28 member states have either never recognized Israel or have withdrawn their recognition; others have severed diplomatic relations without explicitly withdrawing their recognition. Additionally, many non-recognizing countries have challenged Israel's existence—predominantly those in the Muslim world—due to significant animosity stemming from the Israeli–Palestinian conflict and the Arab–Israeli conflict'.Those that do not recognise it are those paragons of freedom and democracy -  15 members of the Arab League (Algeria, Comoros, Djibouti, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syria, Tunisia, and Yemen); ten non-Arab members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, Indonesia, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Niger, and Pakistan); and Cuba, North Korea, and Venezuela.'Yes perhaps, though where is your evidence, more Jewish people live in other countries around the world than do in Israel. I wonder how the numbers stack up for citizens of Ireland, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Somalia, Albania living in the UK or the US ?Any idea ?

John Hawkes ● 23d