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Eurovision Song Contest

I am not sure I will be watching the Eurovision Song Contest tomorrow. Firstly I have had serious doubts over the impartiality of European voters ever since 1959.Then the UK's Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson singing 'Sing Little Birdie' were pushed into second place by the Netherlands with the song "Een beetje", performed by Teddy Scholten. A song (but who remembers it) ? with rather dubious moral undertones we have now come to expect from that country.But secondly the competition has been predictably sullied by the coming together of the influences of today's drumbeat political issues - the wickedness of Israel and gender politics."The current Eurovision champion (sic) has said they (he is a man so should be 'he') support the decision to ban Israel from the 2025 competition".Nemo Mettler won the song contest in 2024 on behalf of Switzerland with the song The Code.This song was described by Nemo as one that details their (his) experience with accepting their (his) non-binary identity. A song that must have gone down well in pubs, at parties and any other occasion for fun and jollity.'Ahead of last year, the singer joined critics in calling for a boycott of Eurovision if Israel’s Eden Golan was allowed to participate as the conflict in the Middle East continued to rage on.Nemo, who was the first openly non-binary (whatever this means) act to represent Switzerland in Eurovision, was one of nine acts who issued a group statement expressing solidarity with Palestine.This time around, the singer-rapper (sic) has once again objected to Israel’s participation."Israel’s actions are fundamentally at odds with the values that Eurovision claims to uphold — peace, unity, and respect for human rights."Obviously he has not read the Hamas Charter !Views undoubtedly Gary Lineker would endorse as he also once lobbied to get Israel banned from international football competition.Why is a song competition so politicised and life in general so dulled by issues much over stressed both in importance and the public's acceptance of them ?Lulu, Sandie, "Brotherhood of Man" and "Buck's Fizz" with your naughty skirt pulling routine  - where are you now when we so need you, surrounded as we are by so many miserabilists ?

John Hawkes ● 46d18 Comments

Mr IxerI started this thread pointing out how a piece of entertainment fluff that millions of ordinary people enjoy seems to have been politicised by the only issues that some  acknowledge as being important at the moment- the 'plight' of the Palestinians and 'trans rights'------------------------------------------"I am not sure I will be watching the Eurovision Song Contest tomorrow.Firstly I have had serious doubts over the impartiality of European voters ever since 1959.Then the UK's Pearl Carr and Teddy Johnson singing 'Sing Little Birdie' were pushed into second place by the Netherlands with the song "Een beetje", performed by Teddy Scholten.A song (but who remembers it) ? with rather dubious moral undertones we have now come to expect from that country.But secondly the competition has been predictably sullied by the coming together of the influences of today's drumbeat political issues - the wickedness of Israel and gender politics."The current Eurovision champion (sic) has said they (he is a man so should be 'he') support the decision to ban Israel from the 2025 competition".Nemo Mettler won the song contest in 2024 on behalf of Switzerland with the song The Code.This song was described by Nemo as one that details their (his) experience with accepting their (his) non-binary identity.A song that must have gone down well in pubs, at parties and any other occasion for fun and jollity.'Ahead of last year, the singer joined critics in calling for a boycott of Eurovision if Israel’s Eden Golan was allowed to participate as the conflict in the Middle East continued to rage on.Nemo, who was the first openly non-binary (whatever this means) act to represent Switzerland in Eurovision, was one of nine acts who issued a group statement expressing solidarity with Palestine.This time around, the singer-rapper (sic) has once again objected to Israel’s participation."Israel’s actions are fundamentally at odds with the values that Eurovision claims to uphold — peace, unity, and respect for human rights."Obviously he has not read the Hamas Charter !Views undoubtedly Gary Lineker would endorse as he also once lobbied to get Israel banned from international football competition. (Poor old Gary. Sacked by the BBC without a payoff for spouting what some took to be anti-semitism. Why would anyone think a footballer has any more insight on the Middle East conflict than anyone else ? What does Micah Richards think of our EU negotiations or what are Ian Wright's views on the war in Sudan ?)Why is a song competition so politicised and life in general so dulled by issues much over stressed both in importance and the public's acceptance of them ?Lulu, Sandie, "Brotherhood of Man" and "Buck's Fizz" with your naughty skirt pulling routine  - where are you now when we so need you, surrounded as we are by so many miserabilists" ?-----------------------------------------------------------What riled me about Nemo's comment were the fact that he tried to to prevent Israel's contestant (a woman who had suffered awfully even you might agree, at the hands of the Palestinians) whilst equating her treatment with his - not being given sufficient sympathy for his claimed (in both senses) 'gender' persecution.Surely even you don't show such equivocation regarding the two offences ?I am not upset by his sexuality.He can call himself a transvestite, trans-sexual (impossible without surgery), bisexual (anatomical definition please ?) or even a bicycle just as long as he keeps his views clear of young children who will not understand.There is a difference between the wrong use of a pronoun ('they' instead of he/she) which renders a sentence meaningless and a change of meaning of an adjective as social norms evolve.Thanks for your attempts at making my life more light-hearted.Not gaslighting then.

John Hawkes ● 43d

Ms Grant'Many many congratulations to Yuval for not only her beautiful singing but also her immense bravery on October 7th 2023 and subsequent performance where protestors tried to disrupt her.And many thanks to the British public for their votes for her. She received the highest public vote in Eurovision history'.A timely reminder (from the Indie online) that 'Yuval Raphael, 24, was among the festival attendees who attempted to flee the carnage as rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel and Hamas gunmen began shooting at revellers.She was one of just 11 survivors from a group of around 50 people who took refuge in a concrete bomb shelter on the side of the road – she hid under a pile of dead bodies for eight hours until she and the other survivors were rescued'.Those protesting against her and attempting to prevent her performing were of course downtrodden and persecuted Palestinians who have the means to live in or travel to Switzerland, a country with a very high cost of living, and doubtless support Hamas.And though I have not followed the contest I would suggest the support and votes she received from the British public are indicative of where it stands in Israel's battle for survival against Islamic terrorist attacks.In answer to my own question as to whether an Islamic woman would ever be allowed to perform at the Eurovision Song Contest it seems that according to Ikram Hawramani's Website - https://hawramani.com/'According to a fatwa by the respected Egyptian scholar Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi (president of the International Union of Muslim Scholars), women are permitted to be singers in Islam provided that Islam’s other commandments are respected. For example, singing songs that promote un-Islamic and immoral things is not permitted.(They presumably they would be allowed to sing in the promotion of their own bisexuality as did last year's winner Nemo – who is non-binary – and said they 'managed to “smuggle” a non-binary Pride flag into the arena to hold on stage'. He recently called for Israel to be banned from this years competition. Further, is bisexulity a recognised concept in Islam or, as is now the legal position in the UK, does it believe there are only two sexes - male and female ?).Many other scholars prohibit women from singing even though there is no clear Quranic or hadith text that forces such a prohibition. Their prohibition is based on general considerations. They believe that it is a danger to a woman’s moral character if she sings, since men may be attracted to her voice and since singing often involves dealing with many male strangers who work in studios'.

John Hawkes ● 44d

Morning Mr Brigo'Are Hamas participating then?'Genuine question: What terrifies you so much about Nemo Mettler that you feel you have to stick your beak into their personal life?' Because he is leading an anti-Israel and anti-Jewish campaign in what is meant to be a non-political programme of light entertainment.A man seeming to claim (I presume from his adopted tax-light country that is Switzerland) that he has suffered as much 'because of prejudice resulting from his claimed gender(s)' as a young woman who was kidnapped and brutalised by the brave balaclava wearing Palestinian boyos in Hamas.As a result, to get back to the nub of the issue, he calls for HER to be banned !If in this context he kept his hackneyed, racist and misogynistic opinions to himself no response would be necessary. 'I mean really, what difference does it make to you?Because his comments politicise and sully what is meant to be an event to bring people together.But ultimately and more important it is a moral question of 'right' or 'wrong'; 'good' or 'evil'.And also both issues and those like you and he that promote them, are I am afraid to say predictable, tedious and boring.Regarding Hamas participating, this was meant to be hyperbole which obviously went over your head.However perhaps you could confirm whether the Islamic religion would allow Muslim women to participate in such a competition.Remember one is ultimately judged by which side one takes over issues whose description can be boiled down to 'good' or 'evil'. Make your mind up Mr Brigo.

John Hawkes ● 45d