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"I heard today 500,000 children have been affected by this scandal." Can you mention where you heard it, please?Well GBNews says today:- "Grooming gangs are committing more than two child sexual abuse offences every day across England and Wales, shocking new police figures have revealed.The groundbreaking data, collected from all 43 police forces, shows the first comprehensive national picture of group-based child sexual exploitation.Grooming gangs are committing more than two child sexual abuse offences every day across England and Wales, shocking new police figures have revealed.The figures emerged through a new national police scheme established to analyse "group-based" child sexual abuse after previous failures to collect quality data on perpetrators and victims were thrust back into the spotlight this week.Police recorded 717 child sexual exploitation "grooming" crimes in 2023, with a further 572 offences documented in the first nine months of 2024.The data comes from the Hydrant Programme, which was established after Professor Alexis Jay's Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse warned there had been a "widespread failure" to collect "good quality" data.The inquiry's 2022 report warned that inadequate data collection had led to a "one-sided and often uninformed debate" about perpetrators' ethnic backgrounds - hampering both the pursuit of offenders and support for victims.The new analysis reveals that "group-based" offending - involving two or more individuals - accounted for 4,228 offences in 2023.This represents 3.7 per cent of all 115,489 child sexual abuse and exploitation crimes, including online offences.Of these group-based crimes, 17 per cent - or 717 cases - were specifically "grooming gang" offences. That's more than 1.96 every say.Family-based abuse, where two or more family members were involved, made up 26 per cent of group offences.Police have also identified a significant number of cases involving child-on-child abuse, which investigators believe has been fuelled by internet pornography and young people's online lifestyles.The majority of perpetrators - 83 per cent - were identified as white, with seven per cent Asian, five per cent black and three per cent mixed race.However, police cautioned that this ethnic breakdown was "limited" as it only covered 34 per cent of suspects.Richard Fewkes, director of the Hydrant Programme, said the data suggested offenders reflected the UK's overall ethnic mix."In very general terms, what we see across all group based offending is that no particular ethnicity stands out based on population data," he told The Telegraph.Police forces acknowledged past "cultural sensitivities" had impeded investigations but insisted this was "absolutely not" the case now.In the past, police and prosecutors often failed to take action against groomers, who have been typically of British-Pakistani origin, over fears of being branded racist or Islamophobic.Sir Keir Starmer had warned as much in 2012 when he was Director of Public Prosecutions, saying: "In a number of cases presented to us, particularly in cases involving groups, there's clearly an issue of ethnicity that has to be understood and addressed. As prosecutors we shouldn't shy away from that.""

David Ainsworth ● 122d

It certainly used to be that when children in care reached the age of 18 that they were expected to leave the care home.  I know they needed help to learn to get used to living in a smaller community and shopping for just themselves - as the food in a care home kitchen came in huge amounts in comparison - and they weren't aware of how much they should buy of anything.  Much more recently I've heard of university students suffering from malnutrition and unable to cook anything for themselves from scratch.Years ago we also discovered that a child in care could get a place at university but because he came from a care home would be unable to return there in the university holidays (and of course had nowhere else to go).  Decades later we have read that this was still the case.  Many of us whose children have gone to university or who have gone to university ourselves don't appreciate enough the support that we have given or got.  We used to be horrified at the number of people in British Asian families living in one house but I doubt it differed from the white populaton years ago here - but I don't remember us ever really thinking about the fact that there were three generations there.  Later I realised that they were looking after their elderly.That is in stark contrast to the other elderly in British society living at a distance from family that can be left to their own devices unwilling and increasingly unable to move nearer their children and their children unwilling or unable to move nearer them.  We nowadays so often live miles apart from family.The social workers are I expect in the same position as the NHS workers - demoralised and frustrated by all the bureaucracy and lack of attention and amount of time they are able to give to change and improve the lives of those they are looking after together with poor working conditions.  I don't think there can be anything more satisfying than seeing children grow those extra inches of confidence and being successful at your job.

Philippa Bond ● 122d

Actually I've tried to post several times but with many interruptions have lost what I've written several times and now with plenty of other things outstanding this will be more rushed and less succinct.Martine has been asking about parental responsibility or rather she wants to know whether I blame the parents - or is it the abused children?  How could I - I don't know the parents or even if there are/were any parents or is it do I blame the abused children???    I'm not sure that all these children were actually in care as we certainly used to know it but I did post something about the problems of children who were in care and the type of care they were/are possibly being provided with nowadays with several links:  unregulated and illegal accommodation - despite Councils being told not to do this.  However just in case you are unaware there is a huge housing shortage.  These were and are VULNERABLE children being searched out and lured by and plied with gifts including mobile phones, cigarettes, alcohol, drugs and attention and friendship only for that then to change into threats and control.  They are then trapped by threats and violence and its hard to escape.  They can be introduced and lured in by older siblings, friends and acquaintances.  Social media has made this even easier.  So has shortages in personnel in several agencies when what is needed is for good teams of people who all want to sort out the challenges to work together - ie good teamwork.This has been going on for years.  As with all crime it changes as the situations change so those trying to investigate and prosecute have to change their methods to succeed.Did you listen to the Alex Renton programme yesterday on Radio 4?  That was about the Paedophile Information Exchange  (PIE).  Alex Renton who is a journalist suffered sexual abuse at his prep school as a young boy as did others.  As a result of writing about it and talking about he received a lot of letters from other survivors of CSA and was also sent a list of the members of this organisation... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/m00174kfI have heard Alex Renton talking on Nicky Campbell's radio show in the past.  Nicky Campbell was also abused at his school as a small child.https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00272c6https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/m00174kf I think you will find this is or has been endemic everywhere in our schools and institutions as well as elsewhere in the UK.

Philippa Bond ● 122d

From your article:-"Mr Morton led Operation Bullfinch, then the biggest criminal investigation in Oxford's history, which resulted in the convictions of 21 men for offences spanning the late 1990s to the late 2000s.He said calls for a new public inquiry are "pointless" and would be a waste of money."We've done the public inquiry. Every single investigation has been thoroughly reinvestigated and checked. We've had seven years worth of Prof Jay and her team looking at child sex exploitation and made the recommendations."Let's get it going. Don't waste your money on more pointless inquiries," he added.That is a view echoed by a child sexual abuse survivor, who cannot be named, who said the focus in recent days has been misplaced with much of the debate surrounding whether there should be a public inquiry, rather than on what can be done to help victims."It's naïve to think [grooming] is not still happening and the political debate is not focused on the problem but on trying to outdo one another," she told the BBC."My life has been destroyed by this. People need to focus on us and how to stop this and not on scoring points.""From the linked article on Operation Bullfinch:-"Many of the victims who were identified did not want to give evidence."We were knocking on people's doors, maybe professional people, who were married with families, and just the knocking on the door and saying, 'we're from Bullfinch'... it brings it all back to them," Mr Glover said.He said he believed his team approached between 250 and 300 women. About a dozen would give evidence over the five trials that followed the first court case."https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-51467518

David Ainsworth ● 123d

Right now I am not aware that without there having been parents there are any children despite the fact that many do not continue to have any or the same ones to bring them up and there may be interventions in conception and pregnancy.  This is just where parental responsibility starts. There are also many blended families but also many who would not be able to say that this is a successful and happy outcome and teachers and religious figures become part of their wider world and more important to them as they grow older.Families can be very stressed especially when there is little money, housing is expensive, as are living costs and there is little work.  It is very important that there is good healthcare and support for families especially when these problems can cause difficulties and breakdowns in families.  This is where access to early intervention and help is so important as the families will be more vulnerable. Survivors of abuse are unlikely to come forward if it is made difficult for them.  Many now say they would not go through the reporting of abuse more than once.  They may need years of therapy and help to try to regain confidence in themselves and others again.  This makes it even more important to reduce the risk to them.It is now known that children's early years are far far more important than many imagine and the damage done physically and mentally can last a lifetime.https://www.jrf.org.uk/news/hardship-deepens-as-millions-find-the-poverty-line-further-out-of-reach

Philippa Bond ● 124d

Please stop simply rising to the inflammatory language of some of the party politics as that will likely only push the problem back into the long grass once again and cause more community upset.  There are those in the community who are trying to cause division.Please help and support the charities that look after abuse victims to make sure that the recommendations of the Independent Child Sexual Abuse Inquiry are carried out.  Don't derail or slow it down.  It was written by Professor Alexis Jay."Professor Alexis Jay, who led that inquiry, said in November she felt "frustrated" that none of its 20 recommendations to tackle abuse had been implemented more than two years later."https://www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk/latest-news/acc-becky-riggs-national-policing-lead-for-child-protection-and-abuse-investigations-responds-to-recent-reporting-on-group-based-offendingHere's a para of what ACC Becky Riggs has written:"We must always return to the data, maintaining a balanced approach to addressing the threat in all its forms. Children are at risk from perpetrators of all races, ethnicities, and genders. Following the final report from the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, policing and other institutions responsible for safeguarding vulnerable children have acknowledged past failures and committed to change—and we are following through on these pledges."Don't forget that much child sexual abuse occurs within families and within the home.I notice that Jess Phillips MP has been working with the hospitality industry as that is where a lot of child sexual abuse also occurs.

Philippa Bond ● 125d

Margaret Thatcher broke a glass ceiling but also did an awful lot of damage to the country.I've heard Maggie Oliver talking about all this before. Yes, it was a problem - and may well still be a problem - the question remains as to why this is suddenly all surfacing again right now.  I too believe that it is mainly party politics.  Remember we have newspapers dominated by non-dom millionnaires who are only too keen to attack the current govt.I am also not convinced as to whether the system we have here of having an inquiry or a review into something is the best way to deal with all these sorts of problems.  That does not mean that there should be cover-ups.  Inquiries often take years, memories can be less than accurate over great amounts of time, they cost masses of money and the outcomes are often not satisfactory in remedying the situation that caused for them to be called for.  Also just as with Coroner's Reports - the recommendations are often quite simply ignored or not acted on.  (Lakanal Fire report which preceded the Grenfell fire.)  They seem too often to be a way to kick problems further into the long grass.https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/dec/06/hillsborough-disaster-timeline-decades-seeking-justice-and-changeIt doesn't seem that long ago that Home Secretary Suella Braverman decided that she was just not going to follow the recommendations of the review into the Windrush scandal that had been accepted by a previous Home Secretary Priti Patel that the Windrush generation were still encountering after that scandal broke and ran for years without enough action.  Another court action ensued.https://www.counselmagazine.co.uk/articles/reviews-inquiries-reviewing-inquiries 

Philippa Bond ● 127d

There is no doubt that there has been a massive cover-up spanning decades over this issue because successive governments have ignored and buried the facts. The Police were also complicit in this shameful deception and are equally culpable, if not more so because they treated the young victims who reached out to them for help, with utter contempt. These young girls were able to provide concrete evidence of where the abuse took place, and who the rapists were. However it was never followed up by the Police and the vile gangs were able to continue abusing and raping children with impunity. There is no doubt that the perpetrators were predominantly of Pakistani heritage and in my opinion that is why the authorities refused to acknowledge the problem for fear of being labelled racist. 'Operation Stovewood was set up in the wake of the landmark Jay Report which found in 2014 that at least 1,400 girls were abused by gangs of men of mainly Pakistani heritage in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013.'I am surprised that nobody in this thread has mentioned Maggie Oliver the former Greater Manchester Police (GMP) Detective who was the Police whistleblower and went public over this scandal in 2012. She consequently had to resign due to the vilification and threats she received from her police colleagues. Rochdale whistleblower Maggie Oliver reveals she took anti-depressants, lost her home and was threatened with jail by her fellow police officers while investigating grooming gangs.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13363063/maggie-oliver-threatened-jail-police-bring-rochdale-grooming-gangs.htmlShe had been working in particular with two of the young victims but she knew from her investigations that there were dozens, if not hundreds more and they desperately needed help. Forget the ridiculous furore over Musk (even though he's correct.😉) Maggie Oliver is the one to listen to because she has campaigned tirelessly to get justice for these victims, and all others still being targeted all over the country. The Daily Mail has also kept this scandal current in the news over the years (Mr Google is your friend) so the paper needs to be applauded too. In Maggie Oliver's informed opinion Starmer is as 'guilty as anyone over grooming gang failures' https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/maggie-oliver-keir-starmer-whistleblower-grooming-gangs-b2673591.htmlMaggie Oliver's relationship with the victims of child exploitation continues to this day, still fighting for justice for survivors of sexual abuse. In 2019, she established The Maggie Oliver Foundation (TMOF) with the focus on helping survivors to transform their Pain into Power.https://www.themaggieoliverfoundation.com/about-us

Sue Hammond ● 128d

As I posted before:-"Destruction of important colonial files:-"Many of the watch files ended up at Hanslope Park. They came from 37 different former colonies, and filled 200 metres of shelving. But it is becoming clear that much of the most damning material was probably destroyed. Officials in some colonies, such as Kenya, were told that there should be a presumption in favour of disposal of documents rather than removal to the UK – "emphasis is placed upon destruction" – and that no trace of either the documents or their incineration should remain. When documents were burned, "the waste should be reduced to ash and the ashes broken up".Some idea of the scale of the operation and the amount of documents that were erased from history can be gleaned from a handful of instruction documents that survived the purge. In certain circumstances, colonial officials in Kenya were informed, "it is permissible, as an alternative to destruction by fire, for documents to be packed in weighted crates and dumped in very deep and current-free water at maximum practicable distance from the coast"."https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/apr/18/britain-destroyed-records-colonial-crimes""emphasis is placed upon destruction" – and that no trace of either the documents or their incineration should remain. When documents were burned, "the waste should be reduced to ash and the ashes broken up"."We know how to do it. Destroy the records, destroy the records of the records ... Turtles all the way down.

David Ainsworth ● 128d

"Clearly conspiracy theorists like yourselves.."Perhaps I have to explain in simpler terms, resisting the temptation not to return abuse."I'm not sure how you are supposed to prove you don't have something."Time Michael, time!We know that the document can not be found under FOI requests. However that does not necessarily mean it didn't exist.It could have existed and been destroyed.In such cases it is normal to call witnesses under oath to testify if such a document did or didn't exist.I personally do not know if the document existed or not. We need the truth of who made the decision not to prosecute and class children below the age of consent, of making an "informed choice".Nazir Afzal: The former prosecutor who led the crackdown on the notorious Rochdale grooming gangs claims it existence in a BBC radio programme and subsequent publications.I can't find any record of him retracting such a claim.On the other hand we had at the time the home office and a government who were less than truthful of many things including illegal activities ranging from facilitating the kidnapping and transporting of mem, women & children to an illegal war. Followed by another Home Secretary that had to resign due to an expenses scandal.So Michael who is telling the truth -  the former Labour Home Secretary or the Chief Crown Prosecutor for North West England or neither?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12968583/The-heroes-helped-bring-Rochdale-grooming-gangs-former-detective-chief-prosecutor-local-councillor-battled-establishment-expose-shocking-abuse-young-schoolgirls-gangs-predatory-older-men.html

Ed Robinson ● 128d

"it's laughable that outrage levels are maxed out now when they weren't when the Tories took exactly the same decision."I think that they scent blood. Starmer became DPP for a small part of this period of vile crime and is a name, unlike all the councillors, police, Home Office civil servants, social workers etc. of that period.  Starmer is very unpopular in the country now and his only support is centre and right Labour. And they are mostly pretty flaccid. It must be hard. I'd really like to be able to sympathise with him.--------------------------------"Sir Keir Starmer was forced to admit that a generation of vulnerable girls had been let down by the justice system while in charge of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).Speaking in 2012 after the Rochdale grooming scandal, the then director of public prosecutions (DPP) said perpetrators had escaped justice for decades because of the failure of the authorities to take the abuse seriously.He also conceded that the ethnicity of the suspects had been an issue and said prosecutors had failed to understand the nature of the abuse.His comments came after it was revealed that the CPS, under his leadership, had dropped a case against a rape gang despite overwhelming evidence of their guilt.Following the CPS’s decision to abandon the case, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) dropped its wider investigation into Asian grooming gangs in the area, and the abuse continued.‘Victim would not come across as reliable’The investigation involved allegations of grooming and sexual abuse made by a child in August 2008 following a disturbance at the Balti House takeaway in Heywood, near Rochdale. GMP officers had arrived at the scene to find a teenage girl screaming and shouting and allegedly smashing up the counter of the shop. The youngster was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and taken into custody. But when she was questioned by officers, she revealed that the reason she had been angry was that she had been repeatedly raped by a group of Asian men linked to the takeaway.The victim even provided police with her underwear, which carried traces of one of her attacker’s DNA.Two men were arrested on suspicion of rape, and several months later the police sent a file of evidence to the CPS. But in July 2009, after reviewing the case, a CPS lawyer concluded that the victim would not come across as reliable or credible and the case was dropped.Ignored by police and social servicesThis was nine months after Sir Keir had been appointed DPP and illustrated the depth of the problem victims of child sexual exploitation faced in their fight to get justice.Not only were they routinely ignored by the police and social services, but when their complaints were taken seriously prosecutors often concluded that there was not a realistic prospect of conviction. Police also claimed that one of the reasons they did not pursue cases was because they did not believe prosecutors would take it seriously.It would be another two years before the CPS reviewed its original decision and the suspects were charged with rape. Eventually, in May 2012 nine men, from mainly Pakistani backgrounds, were found guilty of grooming gang offences.Liverpool crown court was told they had plied their victims, who were as young as 13, with drink and drugs so they could “pass them around” and use them for sex.Multiple failingsNazir Afzal, who was chief crown prosecutor for north-west England at the time, and whose decision it was to eventually prosecute two men, conceded there had been multiple failings in dealing with the case. He said the lawyer who made the original decision had been removed from all sex offence cases, and a wider review was ordered.Sir Keir chaired a review into the CPS’s handling of the Rochdale case and also ordered a national analysis of all child sexual exploitation cases across the country.Speaking in 2012, he said: “In a number of cases presented to us, particularly in cases involving groups, there’s clearly an issue of ethnicity that has to be understood and addressed.“As prosecutors, we shouldn’t shy away from that. But if we’re honest, it’s the approach to the victims, the credibility issue, that caused these cases not to be prosecuted in the past. There was a lack of understanding.”Sir Keir’s acceptance that the ethnicity of the offenders had been an issue was backed up by various inquiries, which accused public officials of turning a blind eye to child sexual abuse for fear of being labelled racist.In Telford, Shropshire, where more than 1,000 girls were sexually abused by gangs of Asian men over three decades, police were described as dropping cases like a “hot potato” to avoid inflaming racial tensions.One witness told an inquiry how West Mercia Police had appeared “frightened to question or challenge because they didn’t want to have the finger pointed at them, saying they were being racist”.In Prof Alexis Jay’s report into the Rotherham grooming scandal, she warned that some staff in children’s social care had been advised by their managers to be cautious about referring to the ethnicity of the perpetrators in reports.Baroness Louise Casey’s follow-up inquiry into the council’s handling of the scandal also found officials were worried about being seen as racist or upsetting community cohesion.She said this had been exploited by far-Right extremists, writing: “By failing to take action against the Pakistani heritage male perpetrators of CSE in the borough, the council has inadvertently fuelled the far-Right and allowed racial tensions to grow. It has done a great disservice to the Pakistani heritage community and the good people of Rotherham as a result.”In October 2013, in the wake of the scandal, Sir Keir published revised CPS guidance on how prosecutors should deal with child sexual exploitation cases.A list of stereotypical behaviours, previously thought to undermine the credibility of young victims, was included to dispel the associated myths when bringing a prosecution.These included issues such as suggestions the victim had invited sex by the way they dressed or acted; they did not complain immediately, so it could not have been a sexual assault; children can consent to their own sexual exploitation; and the victim is in a relationship with the alleged offender and is therefore a willing partner.But more than a year later, in October 2014, a report by Ofsted into Oldham council’s approach to sexual exploitation warned of a “slowness of prosecutions and lack of local engagement by the CPS”.On Thursday Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, said a statutory public inquiry was needed to examine all aspects of the justice system’s failings.He added: “I think looking into the conduct of the Crown Prosecution Service, including during the time when Keir Starmer was the director of public prosecutions, would be one of the things that this inquiry should certainly be looking at.”"Telegraph 2/1/2025

David Ainsworth ● 128d