Lower Mortlake road, house has collapsed while being renovated, meant to have happened yesterday. They looked really nice houses before it happened.
Barbara Stevens ● 107d32 Comments
Thought she was a flooring expert.Last week it was an electric car designer.Week before an environmental expertTruth is she is a google educated expert.
Andy Pike ● 96d
I thought you might be an architect, Philippa. Are you a roofer?
Martine Guy ● 96d
One man's ceiling is another man's floor.I just pointed out that one of the problems that happens is someone presuming that they can just take out walls or chimney breasts indiscriminately without checking the structure first to see what is weight bearing and what isn't (in the case of chimney breasts there is weight of the rest of the chimneys above). That worries me. In case you don't know you don't actually have to have any qualifications to work in construction in the UK although you do for other professions working in this area. You also may not be aware of what alterations have already been made to a building. I'm not aware that we've actually heard what went wrong here. I expect we may do at some point. I've only read that there was fear of a gas leak and explosion.
Philippa Bond ● 96d
We drove by the site this afternoon. It was worse than I imagined. Hopefully, the houses will be rebuilt. Philippa, why would you be tampering with the joists when it’s construction of a basement? Do you work in construction?
I doubt if they even looked.
Philippa Bond ● 97d
Were the floorboards facing the right way 😁
Andy Pike ● 98d
Interestingly I was watching a George Clarke programme last night - I think called Old House New House - and in one of the buildings featured the couple who had started renovating it had taken out a wall themselves without knowing whether it was a loadbearing one or not. He was amazed and his comment was just 'mad'. A bit of an understatement is what I'd call that and sadly some of these makeover programmes don't seem to feature enough technical and structural information.
Philippa Bond ● 98d
I do know Barbara. I was replying to Andy.
What's true, you don't know what your talking about.
Barbara Stevens ● 99d
It's true!
Philippa Bond ● 99d
Having worked in housing maintenance for most of my career nothing would amaze me. But I have never ever come across a building collapsing cos someone read the joists wrong.
Andy Pike ● 100d
In which case you'd be amazed what people do to buildings. Another thing I've come across is the taking out of chimney breasts without doing anything to prop the chimneys above.
Philippa Bond ● 100d
I would be amazed if those horses collapsed due to the builder not knowing the way the joists ran.I would suggest excavation of a basement has undermined the footings causing the buildings to collapse in on themselves.But I think we'd best wait for the official cause.
Barbara: I've read it - and I am perfectly correct with what I said.
Oh Philippa, now your a blasted builder. Read the article on front page.
Barbara Stevens ● 100d
Sometimes it is simply that people don't know which way the joists on a house are arranged and what is holding what up.
We drove past yesterday, if your on the Lower Mortlake Rd, going towards Richmond it's on the right hand side of the road, just before you turn left to go to Richmond station. It's a right mess, the neighbours must be worried.
Barbara Stevens ● 103d
It's on front page now, pictures and details.
Barbara Stevens ● 106d
It is within a conservation area.Planning Applicationhttps://www2.richmond.gov.uk/PlanData2/Planning_CASENO.aspx?strCASENO=22/0399/FUL&DocTypeID=7#docsGrantedhttps://images.richmond.gov.uk/iam/IAMCache/3578838/3578838.pdf
David Ainsworth ● 106d
They were 3 floored houses both joined, worth 2.2 million, under Richmond.
By the pictures a friend put on FBook Martine, looks like the whole house has collapsed. Don't know if they are in the conservation area, think anyway it will be under Richmond Council.
Did this happen in a conservation area? It would make it more difficult for the building to be demolished and rebuilt in a different style, if it is in a conservation area (hopefully).
Martine Guy ● 106d
Adam, have you seen the houses, they looked really nice before. This also happened a few years ago on a corner of a road, nearly opposite the White Hart Pub in Barnes facing the river.
so what happens now? will they have to rebuild it as it was or can they apply for planning for something new?
Adam Tripp ● 107d
Oh, I've seen the state of neighbours in a "leafy London suburb".
David Ainsworth ● 107d
Well you obviously haven't seen the state of them.
Barbara Stevens ● 107d
"Neighbours have told how the sudden collapse of two homes under renovation in a leafy London suburb left behind a scene 'like a disaster movie'.""like a disaster movie"!!Oh, toughen up, DM!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13839041/collapse-homes-Richmond-disaster-movie-planning-battle.html
Ed Robinson ● 107d
The same thing happened opposite the White Hart Pub in Barnes, a couple of years back.
a "super" basement apparently. God only knows what that is? Swimming pool??
Michael Brigo ● 107d
Was it having a basement excavation?
Sue Hammond ● 107d
Never mind. It will simplify the renovation, I guess.