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"In his possession or close enough to warrant the police taking the action they did resulting in a legal enquiry that found his death was a lawful killing."Then how did the gun end up over a fence in the park?"resulting in a legal enquiry that found his death was a lawful killing.""The [coroner's] direction to the jury instructed them to determine whether or not the officer who shot Duggan was acting on an HONEST belief that Duggan was a threat, NOT whether his belief was reasonable."-------------"JURY IN MARK DUGGAN INQUEST CONCLUDES HE DID NOT HAVE A GUN IN HIS HAND WHEN HE WAS SHOT8 January 2014The jury in the inquest into the death of Mark Duggan concluded today that he did not have a gun in his hand when he was shot.  They also unanimously agreed that there were failures in planning and the gathering of intelligence prior to the shooting.  The jury concluded, by a majority of 8-2, that he was lawfully killed.  ...In a statement, the family of Mark Duggan said:“We are shocked by the jury’s conclusion given the evidence we have heard over the past few months.  We will continue to fight for justice for Mark.”Deborah Coles, co-director of INQUEST said:“The jury’s conclusion is both perverse and incomprehensible. We cannot have a situation where unarmed citizens are shot dead on the streets of London and no-one is held to account.""And knowing how much you support the police in the attacks being made on them today, surely you would agree ?"Circumstances alter cases.

David Ainsworth ● 316d

Mr Ixer'From what I can see, the violent protesters are just attacking the police, causing arson, etc to create mindless mayhem using the horrendous attack in Southport as a false excuse'.What makes you say that ?Evidence ?Would you not be shocked and potentially violently angry if children in your community or even closer to you were so horribly murdered ?Natural reactions I would have thought.Of course the attacks on the police and the other incidents are indefensible.However it is not totally unsurprising that the murder of three little girls caused anger and riots.Let's face it the death of George Floyd, a black man in the USA, also caused violence, mayhem and attacks on the police in the UK, though there was no connection between it and anything that was happening in this country.Similarly the shooting of Mark Duggen by the police also caused riots and attacks on them. Again some might say the shooting was wrong and indefensible, but the Metropolitan Police stated that officers were attempting to arrest Duggan on suspicion of planning an attack and that he was in possession of a handgun. Duggan was under investigation by Operation Trident, an anti-crime project conducted by the Metropolitan Police. He was known to be in possession of a BBM Bruni Model 92 handgun, a blank-firing replica of a Beretta 92 pistol, converted to fire live rounds. A legal enquiry an on 16 concluding that Duggan's death was a lawful killing.Again, this incident resulted in riots and attacks on the police and I don't recall many coming to their defence - either in comment nor physically.I describe these events to put into context the strange and surprising sudden upturn in support of the police when they are attacked by white British people, defined as racist and Islamophobic by the Home Secretary.This support for the police is doubtless warranted yet in the past in incidents above, they represented the devil incarnate.I perceive double standards and political grandstanding here.If the white, poorly informed (the murderer was not a Muslim) lower classes take to the streets to protest (and yes probably go over the top) about the terrible murder of three innocent children from their community then that is appalling and they are the lowest of the low.Similar reactions by non-whites, including Islamist terror attacks over the recent years, are never called out as wrong and racist.Overall, it seems to me that Labour is more concerned about 'Islamophobia' than it is about the murders and the natural reaction to them by members of their community.For taking such a biased approach to racial conflict and immigration in this country I have serious doubts that Labour will ever seriously confront these related issues.

John Hawkes ● 318d

There's a fine piece on the riots by Mathew Syed in the Sunday Times today; it’s behind their paywall and is anyway very long - but I think its worth quoting even this extract, which is itself quite long (so apologies for that)"Walls have become something of a metaphor for our polarised world. Donald Trump wanted to build a wall on the southern border and partially achieved his objective.Theorists talk of "digital walls" on social media, denoting the echo chambers that have come to characterise an online sphere that its pioneers boasted would connect humanity but has perhaps done more than anything to divide us.Yet over the course of two heartrending but ultimately uplifting days in the beautiful seaside town of Southport, my mind kept coming back to a different wall. A small, thigh-high red brick wall flanking the intersection of St Luke's Road and Sussex Road, a rather inconspicuous part of a town which neither wished nor expected to be thrust into the national spotlight.It was here that I glimpsed something not just of the character of the people of Southport but perhaps - at their best - of Britain, too."He goes on to write about the events there in wider detail before saying"And this brings me back to that wall on the corner of Sussex Road and St Luke's Road, which encloses the yard of the mosque (which used to be a Methodist church). On Tuesday, the wall had borne the brunt of the missiles, petrol bombs and premeditated violence.I suspect the rioters wished to leave permanent scars upon the building as a grotesque memento of their handiwork. And when you looked at the pictures of the crumbling façade on Tuesday night, you supposed they had succeeded.But as I turned the corner on Wednesday, I was greeted by a sight that took my breath away: dozens of volunteers rebuilding the wall, brick by brick, a vista that I hope will live on as a cultural metaphor.I spoke to Ibrahim Hussein, the softly spoken imam who has lived in Southport for 20 years. 'We were trapped upstairs and could feel the building shaking,' he said. 'But my lasting memory will not be fear but kindness. It's a beautiful community'."A bit later, he concludes with this:"The grief here is raw but so, too, is the decency and moral courage. We are living through a dangerous period, but it is places like this that make me feel optimistic about England, about Britain. And perhaps even about humanity, too."So, a positive message to draw from overwhelmingly negative events.

Richard Carter ● 319d