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Sir Keir to:• Allow tackled-up geezers into ladies' toilets• Keep borders open and allow the country to continue being flooded with immigrants• Hike taxes up, particularly those that affect middle classes - Inheritance tax etc.• Push forward with the Net Zero scam at a cost of £billions/trillions to bankrupt  society Poverty and slavery is the plan for all. Don't let it happen..Vote REFORM

Michael Brown ● 357d21 Comments

Matt,It is lovely hearing from you! All the best.

Ivonne Holliday ● 355d

Hola Sue, Andy and everyone else.Hope you're all well. I do stop by from time to time - just to see what's happening. :)

Matt Palmer ● 355d

Buenos tardes Matt!😺Even when we were in the EU the number of immigrants who were sent back was pitifully small in comparison to the huge number that got here, by whatever means, and stayed. This has been the fault of the Home Office which has been incredibly slow and incompetent in assessing and processing the migrants claims for asylum; plus the vexatious interference of hordes of human rights lawyers who have been exploiting the situation and earning themselves a small fortune. This was Starmer's previous career before he became a politician so I think we can safely assume what his future actions would be on immigration.  Blair #2 ... before he

Sue Hammond ● 355d

Do you really think it would have been any different ? Not a chance.

Andy Pike ● 355d

I thank you

Matt Palmer ● 355d

Even when the UK was in the EU, France never took back any migrants who crossed the Channel illegally. Why would they do so? As soon as the migrants leave French shores, they are no longer France's problem and become Britain's problem.

Steven Rose ● 355d

Shame we lost the Dublin Agreement when we left the EU.  We take fewer migrants than lots of other countries - and our countries in the UK are actually historically made up of migrants from other countries.https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asylum/common-european-asylum-system/country-responsible-asylum-application-dublin-regulation_enI think I misnamed it as a border force as I had the impression that it had a lot more to do with following up the leads and liaising with other countries to intercept/stop/hinder the people trafficking. We've seen that more can be done. Anyway it was not as quoted in the original post.Of course we used to send criminals to Australia for stealing food to feed their families in Victorian times so that's nothing new.

Philippa Bond ● 355d

Spot on and with France and Europe generally lurching to the far right we will be a convenient no returns dumping ground.Will Ms Le Penn come to our aid ? Will she check as like.

Andy Pike ● 356d

Labour's plan to strengthen the border force is not a policy but an excuse for a policy. Once the migrants are in the Channel, the British coastguard is obliged to rescue them and take them to Britain. There is no way of removing those whose claim for asylum is denied as France won't take them back. So it doesn't matter how many border officials are employed. The only effective solution is to deter the migrants from making the crossing in the first place by removing a sufficient number to a safe third country. Migrants are not going to pay a smuggling gang huge sums if they think there is a good chance they will end up in Rwanda. Keir Starmer and Yvette Cooper know this perfectly well but they also know that the Left of the party won't let them deal with the problem sensibly since any attempt to stop illegal migrants is regarded as cruel, xenophobic and racist. So instead they have cobbled together a meaningless plan.

Steven Rose ● 356d

"All “non-essential” migration would be frozenwithin weeks. Illegal migration would be deemed a national security threat, migrants would be picked up out of boats and taken back to France and the Home Office abolished and replaced by a new Department for Immigration."And exactly how will they get the French to take them back? That seems to be the part that was missing and that Nigel couldnt answer on TV the other day.

Michael Brigo ● 356d

I did hear Labour say they would have a new and stronger Border Force who would investigate illegal immigration and smugglers and work with other countries to further secure our borders.  Although boosted to an extent more recently as with other public services this had become very depleted over the years.

Philippa Bond ● 356d

@Michael Ixer Reform's 'contract' isn't a binding promise to deliver goods or services as used in the legal sense, it is just the party's preferred word to use instead of manifesto. Farage says that manifesto pledges have been broken so many times by successive governments that the word has very negative connotations associated with it so Reform will not use it.

Sue Hammond ● 356d

Interesting, Sue. I understand Reform is a limited liability company. That would be consistent with having a contract with its "customers" but what are the liquidated damages to its customers if/when it fails to deliver? Does it have "product" liability insurance, are its "product and services" fit for purpose? 🙂

Michael Ixer ● 356d

Hi Ivonne. These are Reform's key points from its contract, the nuts and bolts of how they would be implemented have not yet been published, just like all the other parties' manifestos do not contain detailed breakdowns. For example Starmer says he will stop the boats by stopping the criminal gangs who facilitate them, but he doesn't say how he would do it. Sunak still has the Rwanda plan which is obviously never going to happen because of all the political and legal resistance against it, but he hasn't put forward any alternative so it's just a statement without any substance.

Sue Hammond ● 356d

Hello Sue,A few question on your listing, if you do not mind.  And, no, I am not being facetious! A bit of clarity would be welcome. * Immigration tax - Who would this tax apply to?  You mention taxing employers with higher NI rates.  Will this apply to legal migrants (ie doctors, nurses as an example)? * Leave European Convention on Human Rights - I disagree with this in no uncertain terms.  This is jingoism. * Freeze “non-essential” migration.  How is essential and non-essential migration defined, please?  We do need fruit pickers for example.* Abolish Home Office - oh, wow!  What happens to crime, the police, drugs policy and counter terrorism?* Reduce student visas - that is fine provided the universities are properly funded.  But, if UK universities have exchange programmes with foreign universities, how will this be affected?* Ban new arrivals from receiving benefits - OK.  They will have to have a very secure and strong computer programme for this, meaning no cheating and no hacking possible.

Ivonne Holliday ● 356d

"All “non-essential” migration would be frozenwithin weeks. Illegal migration would be deemed a national security threat, migrants would be picked up out of boats and taken back to France and the Home Office abolished and replaced by a new Department for Immigration."And exactly how will they get the French to take them back? That seems to be the part that was missing and that Nigel couldnt answer on TV the other day.

Michael Brigo ● 356d

@Michael 15.01Reform policies:Migration* Immigration tax* Leave European Convention on Human Rights* Freeze “non-essential” migration* Abolish Home Office* Reduce student visas* Ban new arrivals from receiving benefitsThe party have pledged to introduce an immigration tax forcing employers to pay an increased National Insurance rate of 20 per cent for every foreign employee, compared with the current 13.8 figure for domestic staff. The tax would incentivise companies to recruit British workers over cheaper foreign labour and provide the “antidote” to 14 years of Tory failures to curb net migration. The party would end illegal immigration and vastly reduce legal migration by leaving the ECHR, introducing a “one in, one out” migration quota.All “non-essential” migration would be frozenwithin weeks. Illegal migration would be deemed a national security threat, migrants would be picked up out of boats and taken back to France and the Home Office abolished and replaced by a new Department for Immigration.Foreign criminals would be deported immediately after their prison sentences end and citizenship withdrawn from immigrants who commit “significant” crimes.A proposed clamp down on student visas and their dependants is designed to mean that only students with essential skills can remain in the UK as soon as their studies end.Under Reform’s plans, “significant” penalties would be levelled on companies that make use of undocumented and illegal labour.A ban on newly arrived migrants receiving benefits. It states: “We will impose a requirement of 5 years residency and employment to claim any benefits in the UK.

Sue Hammond ● 356d

Not sure I entirely agree with the slavery bit but the rest is pretty much on point Michael.👍

Sue Hammond ● 356d

Seems to me Reform are trotting out the same lies of fear, uncertainty and doubt that the Tories are because they've noting positive to say after the Brexit disaster. Just FUDging reality ... time for change to realism and competence 🙂

Michael Ixer ● 356d

I wasnt aware that Reform had actually published a plan on how they were going to reduce immigration?

Michael Brigo ● 356d

Vote reform and ensure Starmer gets in

Andy Pike ● 356d