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Hancock

Some of the WatsApp revelations are shocking  I don't use the word lightly.  They are truly unbelievable. Never mind Begum  This person has, with assistance, totally betrayed the whole population of the UK. I am in despair that a person could behave so despicably. Unforgivable.

Barbara Shillabeer ● 21d68 Comments

"said it was worrying that our health minister isn’t telling us the truth when reading his messages"So where does he lie?

David Ainsworth ● 7d

Doesn't even know the guy's name. That's hoew reliable a poster he is. Mind you, Andrew Bridgen may not know his own name either. He does seem to have gone full Icke.

Michael Winstanley ● 7d

PS, I wasn't referring to Philippa's postings!

Michael Ixer ● 7d

Probably because Facebook et al removes their posts and suspends their accounts but the Neighbourhood Network doesn't appear to mediate any postings. Wonder if they will when the new government legislation is introduced?

Michael Ixer ● 7d

Ivonne, the same as Philippa, on every forum.

Barbara Stevens ● 7d

Why are you posting in the Chiswick forum and here?

Ivonne Holliday ● 7d

Thanks for posting latest David Bridgen video, Paul. I have started a thread on the Chiswick forum based on this video content alone and, due to its importance, will start a new and identical thread on here... Mike

Michael Brown ● 7d

What surprises me about this is that people are surprised by this. Johnson had a track record of lying, is it surprising he surrounded himself with similar people  Rich, arrogant, private and publically schooled chaps parking around, taking the piss out of everyone?Culture change; the in fashion management speak phrase. Gets used all the time in Infosec and organisational change :-)

Michael Ixer ● 7d

said it was worrying that our health minister isn’t telling us the truth when reading his messages, you don’t find them worrying? Yes I posted the reading in the House on Friday for your opinion while I got your attention, obviously if you don’t want to comment I understand. Best Paul.

Paul Beer ● 7d

Now you posted a few lines and I asked for an explanation of what you read into them. Instead of which I get 15 minutes from the Commons to which you would like me to respond, and no explanation.

David Ainsworth ● 7d

David, interested on you views on the comments made in the House yesterday  You better be quick as this will be removed from YouTube very soon. Personally I find Hancocks comments and this link all very worrying. Best P https://youtu.be/JvSHD_n3Lyg https://youtu.be/JvSHD_n3Lyg

Paul Beer ● 8d

You explain what you make of it then.

David Ainsworth ● 8d

Mr Hancock says: "We frighten the pants of everyone with the new strain."The adviser responds: "Yep, that's what will get proper behaviour change."The minister then asks: "When do we deploy the new variant."Mr Hancock announced the new variant the following day.

Paul Beer ● 8d

@David NugentDo you have so much as a GCE in a science subject?What is the highest level of education you have achieved in a science discipline?Have you ever conducted scientific research or contributed to a scientific paper?You are an idiot parroting fairy stories that you source from the internet. One that can't tell a nurse from a doctor.

Michael Winstanley ● 12d

What a surprise: Kaufman turns out, not surprisingly, to be a covid denialist, based on his training as ... a psychiatrist:https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/psychiatrist-who-calmly-denies-realityPsychiatrist, heal thyself!

Richard Carter ● 13d

Ha.. Richard "Lets all mask up against the disease" Carter!and villify those that won't go along with that particular fraud!You talk about fraud and being misled! Have you seen the video?  You do realise this is more than just 2 doctors saying this don't you or are you going to do a hatchet job on all of them... This is more about discrediting than actually reading isn't it. Pathetic!

David Nugent ● 13d

Of your "authorities," I know nothing about Kaufman but Cowan has had to surrender his licence and can no longer practise medicine in California (or, presumably, anywhere else): https://calmatters.org/health/2021/02/conspiracy-theory-doctor-surrenders-medical-license/Relying on fraudsters to support your case is not a good look, David.

Richard Carter ● 13d

Personal insults? Where? I constantly get them and I'm simply asking you to look at recent research that shows clearly there are no viruses. You have still not countered the claims in any meaningful way Michael. So "lost the argument" is not the case. That is not science it is prejudice. The photographs of so called viruses have been exposed by Dr. Kaufman and Dr. Tom Cowan as fraud. They are in fact exosomes. As for Winstanley... you really are a joke and know more than anyone all about making a fool of yourself..

David Nugent ● 13d

You are very ignorant. A moment's study on the internet would tell you that there are disinfectants which kill both bacteria and viruses. And you can't tell a nurse from a doctor.Every time you comment here you seem to embarass yourself.

Michael Winstanley ● 13d

Oh, dear, dear, David, admitting you've lost the argument so resulting in personal insults rather than logical arguments again? Agreed,  there's no point in anyone wasting time debating anything with you as you obviously are unclear what you're discussing. Still, at least I got a degree in mathematics from Imperial College, and, yes, I do meet (associate?) with people there frequently. I don't make things up.

Michael Ixer ● 13d

Ha. You are a joke Michael. You have already admitted you haven't bothered to look into the research I pointed to. I won't even bother to deal with you in the future. As for your fake scientific "facts"... and your "associations" with Imperial College etc. Sorry... Give me a break and as for Ivonne "IF, viruses do not exist, I wonder why we need disinfectants to clean our houses" Oh dear disinfectants deal with bacteria....I'm not going to bother in future.. what the Dickens are you on about? Sorry... break needed. Please go back to your BBC and your Guardian...Finally "Some people just don't seem to understand the methods of scientific research or, more seriously,  chose not to :-(" Yes Michael you are right and you are obviously talking about little you.. Really not good..

David Nugent ● 13d

Obviously anyone querying the existence of viruses would need to rewrite the whole theory around RNA and DNA, and substantiate it. Are they going to query RNA, DNA, and epigenetic that have solid research material?! Absolutely no foundation for denying the existence of viruses, at least, not without substituting an alternative theory. The term germ is a non scientific generic one encompassing bacteria and viruses.Some people just don't seem to understand the methods of scientific research or, more seriously,  chose not to :-(

Michael Ixer ● 13d

If, and it is a big IF, viruses do not exist, I wonder why we need disinfectants to clean our houses for?Antibacterials are different, by the way if anybody needs to know.

Ivonne Holliday ● 13d

Try teaching classes of sniffling and coughing children without getting a cold virus (and there are hundreds of cold viruses).

Philippa Bond ● 13d

Good one Ivonne.

Philippa Bond ● 13d

I see your acting like a grade A pillock and I raise you mu post-graduate degree biochemistry qualifications."Critical thinking"! You would not know it if it bit you on the bum. You've got this idiot, with, I would suggest, very little in the way of a scientific education saying "viruses do not exist" because he's a gullible plonker who's read it on the internet somewhere and you say people who disagree with him follow like sheep.My challenge is this - if viruses don't exist, spend the next month having unprotected sex with a variety of partners. Make sure to include a number of intravenous drug users. Nothing to be scared of is there?

Michael Winstanley ● 14d

"Some people can't see the sheep for the trees."With the Brown mob around, that is good news for the sheep. They may safely graze without having to look behind too often.

David Ainsworth ● 17d

Some people can't see the sheep for the trees.

Philippa Bond ● 17d

What have you got against short planks !!

Andy Pike ● 17d

You are right David. No critical thinking on this forum. They just all follow like sheep even though all the evidence in now in front of our eyes. The likes of Ainsworth and Winstanley sound as thick as two short planks!

John Lambert ● 18d

I don't generally watch videos when on public transport, and sometimes it's inconvenient at home to watch videos: if there's a lot of detail it's a lot easier to read the original text documents.  If you can't be bothered to post the links to the documents you're obviously not that interested in me reading them so why should I bother?Never have this problem with people at Imperial College, the OU or Anglia University.

Michael Ixer ● 18d

You obviously haven't looked at the video!There are tens of references in the video so please don't be so disingenious and fake!It has peer reviewed evidence included... not that you would look anyway... You don't WANT to investigate... because you may well be wrong... and you know it!

David Nugent ● 18d

Thanks, Ivonne :-)

Michael Ixer ● 18d

". It is provably NOT a disease or virus." Fine, please provide links to the published, peer reviewed evidence. (Not a video without the detailed facts and deductions.)

Michael Ixer ● 18d

Ivonne Holliday ● 18d

"whether there is ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Covid-19 Virus (or any virus - AIDS, Ebola etc.) exists"Whether there is ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that David Nugent exists.

David Ainsworth ● 18d

No need for silly ir arrested development comments you have made them all.

Andy Pike ● 18d

" It is a virus and keeps on changing"Phillipa and others... You might want to update your critical thinking about whether viruses exist and whether there is ANY SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that Covid-19 Virus (or any virus - AIDS, Ebola etc.) existsAlso that using the "Drosden" PCR test is a fraud as it does not test for any disease or so called virus.To keep repeating the well-worn phrases of the mass media represents clear misrepresentation of the present state of play in the Virology "Fraud" that has been played on the masses. This is what many Doctors (Such as Dr Andrew Kaufman and Dr. Tom Cowan have showed unequivocally) The so called "Covid-19 Virus" is simply a rebranded FLU condition. FLU represents a generalised reaction of the body to external pathogens ie FLU is a detoxing condition NOT a "disease" or "virus". These pathogens might include heavy metals (maybe from contamination), EMF radiation; (Ionised and Non-Ionised radiation) and toxic substances that are in the environment. It is provably NOT a disease or virus.Before you cast doubt on these facts please research what "viral theory" and "germ theory" is and watch this video that clearly explains the state of play in these matters. Please.. no silly arrested-development comments.https://www.bitchute.com/video/XqVzk8Equr0k/

David Nugent ● 19d

I know people who have Covid right now.  It is a virus and keeps on changing which is just what viruses do but because of the vaccine people are not all ending up in hospital or on ventilators as medics have now found better ways to treat those who actually end up so ill that they need to go into hospital with it.It was interesting looking at all the Private Eye title pages from 2020 as I did a lot of filing at the weekend.

Philippa Bond ● 19d

Too busy selling off any and every bit of Govt real estate accessible in order to reduce the size of the state.  Just-in-time global trade is pretty hopeless when there is a global pandemic and it is difficult to buy what you need and there aren't the guidelines for what is acceptable and necessary. Remind me where a lot of the Govt's funding comes from.We had architects' offices and schools with the right equipment making face shields and providing those to hospitals and carers and those in the front line.  We had the Wandsworth Scrubbery making scrubs and face masks. We had nurses wearing bin bags because they had no aprons etc. We watched the pandemic coming closer on social media.  Medics speak to each other across the world - they shared what they knew and warned us.  Meanwhile people were still flying in from all over the world and were not checked at all and did not even have info on what to do if they became ill.  And big social occasions like Cheltenham just continued...Our hospital staff did not know what to wear and had to separate those who had Covid and those that did not into the green and red sections of hospital - only as they later discovered not everyone had obvious or any symptoms.The longer there is until there is a public enquiry the more many people's memories will have faded.  Those that were heavily involved with sick people with Covid became more ill when they themselves got it.  When they got it later a second time after vaccination the symptoms were nothing like as bad.

Philippa Bond ● 19d

Twice a day probably.

David Ainsworth ● 19d

Perhaps like the infinite number of monkeys in time writing Shakespeare, Piers Morgan might occasionally be right? :-)

Michael Ixer ● 19d

To take that view you are accepting that there were no appropriate safeguards in place that you would expect from an established democracy, opposition, civil service, judiciary etc.Perhaps we should knight Piers Morgan?

Ed Robinson ● 19d

To take that view you are accepting that there were no appropriate safeguards in place that you would expect from an established democracy, opposition, civil service, judiciary etc.Perhaps we should knight Piers Morgan?

Ed Robinson ● 19d

Completely agree it was the neo-liberal Govt not making sure that the country and the NHS was prepared for an expected-sometime-pandemic.  Due to this penny-pinching and lack of preparedness they were caught out and ended up in a flat spin with a complete lack of knowledge of what to do so started asking around all their friends who knew anyone who could provide PPE and equipment.

Philippa Bond ● 19d

Ignoring the looney tunes angle in this thread which isn't worth wasting a great deal of time on - except for fun -"This person has, with assistance, totally betrayed the whole population of the UK"There is no difference between the behaviour of Hancock and the rest of the current government, save:(a) The others were not caught on camera snogging their mistress.(b) Most of them know better than to trust Isobel Oakeshitt with their private correspondence.

Michael Winstanley ● 20d

"the same government that refuses to investigate the 1,000 weekly excess deaths"I'll bet that you have the explanation for this, Dr Brown.

David Ainsworth ● 20d

All under the guise of 'care' and 'protection', and all worth it if it saves 'just one life', from the same government that refuses to investigate the 1,000 weekly excess deaths since; and if you break down on a 'Smart' motorway, death by juggernaut is perfectly acceptable too..

Michael Brown ● 20d

"No-one has represented the people at all. It's been a war on the people from all sides."Well Mr Brown, talk's cheap. When are you going to rise up then? Show us what you are made of. Is it digital or real meat?

David Ainsworth ● 20d

The only good reason to announce now that Labour will give Sue Gray "some top post" is that it is a bad decision :)An own goal so to speak which she would have known.Sorry. Best I could do to link the responses!

Ed Robinson ● 20d

Furthermore, there was zero opposition to all of the draconian government responses that caused nothing but great harm. In fact, Labour wanted even more draconian restrictions, led by Starmer who, in a recent interview with Emily Maitlis, expressed nothing but contempt for Parliament, and stated how the future rests with Davos and the WEF, the organisation that stated very early on in the 'pandemic' what a marvelous opportunity Covid brought for 'The Great Reset'. Clearly, Starmer has been playing up to this mob from the start, along with the government. No-one has represented the people at all. It's been a war on the people from all sides.

Michael Brown ● 20d

Ah, yes, Ivonne. A "Dear Mogg" post from Mr Rosen! :-)Brilliant!

Michael Ixer ● 20d

I agree Michael.On a different slant, this was posted on FB and I thought it was brilliant!!  · …attempt by Labour to give the awful Sue Gray some top post. It undermines the civil service. That's our job. We've been doing it for years. Reminds me of that ABBA song 'Should have been me'. Cosi fan totti Boris

Ivonne Holliday ● 20d

True, Ed. More transparency would allow us to identify the real conspiracies and reject the false ones? :-)

Michael Ixer ● 20d

If we had more transparency we would not only have better government but less conspiracies.I just do not get why people do not want more transparency!Is there a conspiracy that I'm not aware? :)

Ed Robinson ● 20d

"I will be paying more attention to the conspiracy theorists going forward as they have been getting everything right the last few years", he bleated.Mr Lambert is one of the sheep who can't think for himself, it would seem.

David Ainsworth ● 20d

"Ainsworth is one of the sheep who can't think for himself."Mr Ainsworth is one of the sheep who can't think for himself, if you don't mind, Mr Lambert.

David Ainsworth ● 20d

Ainsworth is one of the sheep who can't think for himself.

John Lambert ● 20d

You are right Mr Brown. Many on this forum who laughed at your lockdown and variant scepticism certainly now have egg on their face.I will be paying more attention to the conspiracy theorists going forward as they have been getting everything right the last few years.

John Lambert ● 20d

He was spending more time with his tongue down his girl friends throat and arse grabbing to worry about anything else.

Barbara Stevens ● 20d

Hancock features in this classic photo of Tories arguing with Speaker Berkow. And almost visible at the back is Sunak on tiptoe, I think.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/gallery/2019/sep/09/john-bercows-decade-as-speaker-in-pictures#img-10Wonderful faces. Like a photo by Rembrandt.

David Ainsworth ● 20d

Hancock is the Tories Diane Abbott. What an absolute dope the man is

Andy Pike ● 20d

Yes we need to employ people with better abilities to cover up.It's not difficult to see why countries with more transparency have better outcomes.Instead of more transparency parties are heading down the opposite route of greater secrecy.What was the level of intelligence in the opposition that gave the government a free pass?

Ed Robinson ● 20d

Is it really a surprise: if you have a Prime Minister who is a dishonest narcissist is it surprising he selects a cabinet with similar morals ... I must admit I don't find the contents of his WhatsApp messages that surprising, just that Hancock was so stupid that he passed them to a journalist who was known for such disclosuresand disagreed with the lockdowns. With that level of intelligence in government it's not surprising the country is in such a mess :-(

Michael Ixer ● 20d

"Some of the WhatsApp revelations are shocking"Which ones particularly?

David Ainsworth ● 20d

"In fact, the truth is far worse than what the WhatsApp messages reveal."Any facts about your far worse truth then?

David Ainsworth ● 20d

It should have been obvious to you at the time. It was to me. In fact, the truth is far worse than what the WhatsApp messages reveal. So much so, it wouldn't surprise me if Hancock enabled the release of the messages as a damage limitation exercise..

Michael Brown ● 20d

Odious individual!

Sue Hammond ● 20d