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Boris Is Coming Back?

Bring it on Boris!! 👏🏻

Sue Hammond ● 1202d36 Comments

Sue. Yes, he's certainly creating chaos and confusion, as usual! Just evidence of how unsuitable he is for the position. His only interest is his, no real care for anyone else. Sad so many people are taken in by his comedy act; he's far better suited to after dinner speaking; anyway, it tops up his MP's salary. The insurance and stock brokers, and bankers need a bit of laughter after Truss crashing the markets. (Of course Rees-Mogg and Kwartang are probably enjoying some champagne ith their hedge fund sponsors ...)

Michael Ixer ● 1199d

"nothing yet from Johnson which suggests he hasn't managed 100 nominees?"Or maybe he has and is staying quiet on purpose? His silence is certainly winding people up.😸Perhaps the big reveal will be tomorrow at 13.59?😉

Sue Hammond ● 1199d

Looks like were into the disinformation and dodgy deal attempts ...https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63363813#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16665391962021&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.comI think the Guardian (using a PA report) says Mordaunt refused a request from John to pull out of the race. Hope she told him where to go - like most people would like to. (When I said most I mean all Labour, Green, LibDem, SNP, Plaid Cymru, etc and many Tories who far outnumber the Tories who do support Johnson despite his law breaking and lies in Parliament,  and incomplete Brexit deal.) Not rattled just surprise that so many are conned by him!

Michael Ixer ● 1199d

I love bananas 😁😁

Andy Pike ● 1199d

It is not a question of being rattled, as you say.It is a question of demanding integrity, honesty and clarity which BoJo clearly does not have.At the moment, according to the BBC (but not The Telegraph), Sunak has the backing of 146 MPs, BoJo 56 and Mordaunt 23.  Therefore, there are some 134 MPs to declare.  I suppose they are hedging their bets to see which candidate will favour them most? I have a horrible feeling that all will come to a surprise end tomorrow.But, if BoJo is on the running, say goodbye to the UK, its international standing and welcome the new banana republic.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1199d

Personally I think Boris should wait until a year or so after the election and hold captain hindsihgts feet to the fire then.BUT it's clear he has you guys and hindsight rattled so maybe he is enjoying the moment but has no intention of standing ...... unless he has announced his candidature while I've been watching my lads footie this morning...

Andy Pike ● 1199d

Michael W. Yes, very possibly. As I said, only they (and I guess their associates) have the full information ...

Michael Ixer ● 1199d

Why? To offer to back off if Sunak promises to make the Privileges Committee investigation into him go away, give him a peerage, cash, things like that. Possibly to blackmail him too - doubtless he has some secrets about Sushi he could reveal.

Michael Winstanley ● 1199d

Why would Johnson meet with Sunak? Sunak has demonstrated he's passed the 100 nominee threshold, Johnson, in spite of claims by his supporters they've 100 nominees, has only evidenced 50 plus. It the Johnson camp bluffing using the usuall technique of disinformation? (Lies?) I can't see either has anything to gain at this stage but only they have the full information. Sunakhas now declared as a candidate, nothing yet from Johnson which suggests he hasn't managed 100 nominees?

Michael Ixer ● 1199d

Jane. Perhaps not well phrased: I was probably thinking of all transgressions, not just breaches of the ministerial; all recent ones, or in fact during the last decade, have to be by Conservatives (or possibly LibDems) as there have been no labour ministers! Priti Patel was found to be in breach but got away with an apology (seems like a new version of Alice's Restaurant?) https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-ministerial-code-bullying-claims-priti-patel/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16665214339673&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.eu%2Farticle%2Fboris-johnson-ministerial-code-bullying-claims-priti-patel%2F

However, Christian Matheson of Labour resigned recently after being suspended by the Parliamentary Standards Committee - but at least had the decency to resign, as did Suella Braverman after breaching the ministerial code recently (or was that a deliberate breach...). https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-christian-matheson-should-face-four-week-suspension-for-serious-sexual-misconduct-parliamentary-watchdog-12726202#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16665217912704&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Flabour-mp-christian-matheson-should-face-four-week-suspension-for-serious-sexual-misconduct-parliamentary-watchdog-12726202 Probably more beaches of parliamentary standards than the ministerial code but they're fused together in my mind and unfortunately I don't have time to Google them. Plus as standards and codes seem to evolve so are a moving feast, and probably Blair's mistake of joining a war over non existent weapons of mass destruction isn't a breach of either! (Which sadly detracts from some good things he did do.) Im sure Ed has more examples at his finger tips ...

Michael Ixer ● 1199d

Jane. Perhaps not well phrased: I was probably thinking of all transgressions, not just breaches of the ministerial; all recent ones, or in fact during the last decade, have to be by Conservatives (or possibly LibDems) as there have been no labour ministers! Priti Patel was found to be in breach but got away with an apology (seems like a new version of Alice's Restaurant?) https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-ministerial-code-bullying-claims-priti-patel/#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16665214339673&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.eu%2Farticle%2Fboris-johnson-ministerial-code-bullying-claims-priti-patel%2F

However, Christian Matheson of Labour resigned recently after being suspended by the Parliamentary Standards Committee - but at least had the decency to resign, as did Suella Braverman after breaching the ministerial code recently (or was that a deliberate breach...). https://news.sky.com/story/labour-mp-christian-matheson-should-face-four-week-suspension-for-serious-sexual-misconduct-parliamentary-watchdog-12726202#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16665217912704&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Flabour-mp-christian-matheson-should-face-four-week-suspension-for-serious-sexual-misconduct-parliamentary-watchdog-12726202 Probably more beaches of parliamentary standards than the ministerial code but they're fused together in my mind and unfortunately I don't have time to Google them. Plus as standards and codes seem to evolve so are a moving feast, and probably Blair's mistake of joining a war over non existent weapons of mass destruction isn't a breach of either! (Which sadly detracts from some good things he did do.) Im sure Ed has more examples at his finger tips ...

Michael Ixer ● 1199d

"Sunak and Bozo coalition."German-Soviet Pact, August 1939? Somebody better watch out.

David Ainsworth ● 1199d

. I agree that there seem to be too many breaches of the ministerial code irrespective of party.Michael, could you give some examples?

Jane Carter ● 1199d

Sunak and Bozo coalition. If that’s not a sign of lack of conviction and confidence I don’t know what is. They’re doooomed. Dooomed I tell ye! 😂

Freddie Francis ● 1199d

Michael X, unfortunately until supporters call out these issues in their own party nothing will change.Party supporters do not want high standards they just want their tribe in power.Supporters blindly following a political party are part of the problem.

Ed Robinson ● 1199d

Can't see what good that would do for Sunak.

David Ainsworth ● 1199d

Didnt they already try that?

Matt Palmer ● 1199d

I would rather be an optimist than a miserable old bu**er.Anyway there is speculation tonight that Boris and Sunak have had a meeting to discuss governing together.  Can't see how that would work! Clash of egos for a start ...

Sue Hammond ● 1200d

The letters page of the Telegraph today was full of indignant disgust and denigration for both the party and the possibility the Bozo will return, including a letter from Elizabeth Balsom, a member of this forum I think. There were some,perhaps ten percent,  delusional optimists like Ms Hammond but for the Torygraph, soberingly few. The outlook? They’re ‘****ed’ and it serves them bl***** right. Even Ben Elton last night was mourning the loss of Maggie in light of this lot.

Freddie Francis ● 1200d

The best thing that could happen now for Labour is Johnson's return as PM. If that happens, there might not even be a Tory Party to contest the next election. Not in Parliament at any rate.

Michael Winstanley ● 1200d

Sue, the BBC was just reporting what Johnson’s campaign had announced. If you read on you will see that they also reported that only 50 MP’s had publicly supported him so far. I very much doubt the Labour Party is in either a tailspin or panic and despair. The Tory Party could not do itself greater harm than voting in the lying cheat who has an investigation hanging over his head. Mind you, they are stupid enough just to do that. Sir Keir and his team must be rubbing their hands in glee.Nick

Nicholas Evans ● 1200d

Ed. I agree that there seem to be too many breaches of the ministerial code irrespective of party. The specific issue with Johnson is the the privileges committee process is in progress regarding his alleged of breaches. The danger is that if the sanctions are serious enough that a recall petition is issued and (assuming he stands again) he loses the subsequent by-election then if he had been re-establish as prime minister we'd be back to square one! Why would any party risk that? (One wonders if someone might find a rule in the Conservative party membership handbook that bars someone awaiting such judgement for applying to be leader?)One expects that Braverman, who resigned because of a breach, will be hoping for another ministerial post at some stage (assuming the Tories are still in power when such an opportunity might arise)?Does parliament attract those who feel rules don't apply to them, or is it just that many decent, competent people are put off by various aspects of it?

Michael Ixer ● 1200d

I think we should be clear that both the major parties have had ministers resign multiple times for breaking the ministerial code only to return back in some cases three times.Of course neither party nor the political commentators have called enough attention to this so I do not think we should make exceptions for Boris.Perhaps we need to change the rules not just the colours politicians wear?

Ed Robinson ● 1200d

There is a glimmer of hope!!!!!  On the BBC website:Scepticism on real extent of Johnson's supportChris MasonPolitical editorWithin moments of those around Boris Johnson claiming they have hit the threshold of 100 MPs backing the former prime minister, scepticism from other Conservative MPs."Hogwash", "absolute garbage", "clearly nonsense" are among the phrases being used.Why?Well, the publicly-declared number of backers is much, much lower and — bluntly — his track record when it comes to truth is patchy.These races are all about generating momentum, even a sense of inevitability.There are MPs inclined to back him but keen to keep their counsel for now — but you can expect a blizzard of demands that Johnson’s team produce a list if their claim is to be seen to be credible.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1200d

If he had to leave in disgrace a second time it would be disastrous for the UK and the Tory party ... https://www.itv.com/news/2022-10-21/damning-partygate-evidence-means-boris-johnson-could-be-gone-by-christmas

Michael Ixer ● 1200d

He's still got to get past the privileges committee. That could keep him busy for a while. Apparently, he can get out of that by calling an election ...

Michael Ixer ● 1200d

Invest in some sick bags Ivonne?😉

Sue Hammond ● 1200d

The BBC are now reporting that Boris has over the 100 required backers and he will declare soon.  If true there will only be him and Sunak on the members' ballot paper so expect to see Boris back in No. 10 next week. Labour Party will be in a tailspin of panic and despair, and quite a few on here as well. 😸

Sue Hammond ● 1200d

I am horrified that Johnson has over 100 backers.  The thought of him returning to Downing Street makes me sick!

Ivonne Holliday ● 1200d

"It would make clear to all but the very dimmest how utterly morally bankrupt the Conservative Party has become."Seconded.

David Ainsworth ● 1200d

So Johnson has flown back to the UK from his family beach holiday in the Dominican Republic. Presumably, so he can try to "persuade" enough MPs to support him in another bid for PM. However, as has just been pointed out Parliameis sitting at the moment. So what's he doing away on holiday when there's been serious matters for MPs to deal with over the past few weeks. Who's dealing with his constituents' problems caused by the current economic crisis!

Michael Ixer ● 1200d

Having cheered his dismissal I would welcome his return. It would make clear to all but the very dimmest how utterly morally bankrupt the Conservative Party has become. Whoever stands or wins the leadership, they are toast at the next GE.

Michael Winstanley ● 1200d

Tantamount to a suicide note if they bring him (Bozo) back. Even if they don’t they are toast. It’s easily and conveniently forgotten that Corbyn was a factor in getting the party elected last time. The scenery is completely different now. So the big question is when, not if they inevitably are going to be out of office for many, many years. A reputation in shreds is hard to restore.

Freddie Francis ● 1200d

Agreed, Nick, but too many Tory MPs are at risk of losing their seats so unlikely they want that they've got a sufficient majority to hold onto power :-(

Michael Ixer ● 1202d

He is still being investigated for misleading parliament - lying about partygate. The solution is simple. Call a GeneralElection and chuck them all out. None of them can be trusted.Nick

Nicholas Evans ● 1202d

I heard he is one of the candidates and am really angry!!What is happening to this country!! Boris was chucked out because he lied and broke the law, just to mention two things.He expects he can retake the post just like that?If it happens, we all deserve to be in the loony bin.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1202d