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Maddie Budd 21 a former medical student poured a bucketful of human excrement onto a memorial of Sir Captain Tom Moore.  This was apparently to protest against private jets

Barbara Shillabeer ● 987d32 Comments

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/10/climate-activists-target-private-jet-airports-and-demand-ban-at-cop27

Matt Palmer ● 948d

Captain Tom was most famous for his walking marathon.I don't know about the private jets but it doesn't look as though the commercial ones are doing enough.https://influencemap.org/report/Corporate-Capture-of-the-UN-International-Civil-Aviation-Organization-19779

Philippa Bond ● 980d

I'm not clear if this was part of a campaign or just her individually taking her own action without consultation.Difficult to believe that anyone would think this was a good idea. Even less so that there appears to be no connection between Captain Tom & private jets.On China and coal I found this article interesting and informative.As it makes clear China is still dependent upon coal but how it is using it is interesting. It also appears to be opening larger more efficient cleaner plants and closing older ones.http://www.lantaugroup.com/file/FAQ_China_Coal_aug22.pdfMeanwhile in Germany it looks like coal is back with the help of the Greens - or have I misinterpreted that?With opinions shifting in the polls it doesn't seem the Greens are improving - I think they were higher a few years ago.

Ed Robinson ● 981d

you have to search for it but it's out therehttps://freedomnews.org.uk/2022/05/21/xr-blockades-private-jet-airport-ahead-of-davos-talks/it's quite a regular event at Farnborough at least

Matt Palmer ● 981d

An awful lot doesn't make the news.  I wonder why?  I don't suppose it is censored in any way?

Philippa Bond ● 981d

Matt. Agreed, sounds far more effective, direct action against those flying in private jets, although I don't remember it making the news?

Michael Ixer ● 981d

XR have blocked access to Farnborough and Northolt private airfields in the past, closed them down for about a day. Seems like a more sensible way to protest about private jets than pouring shite over a statue.

Matt Palmer ● 981d

I suppose one could argue her activism has achieved something in that it's  got a debate going on this forum (and possibly others)? Not the sort af activism I'd recommend but I don't think it stopped anyone going about their daily business, did it? XR has far more impact!Easiest way to discourage private jets is to surcharge their fuel? And, yes, China has a massive issue with carbon emissions and pollution, isn't that in part because we've exported cheap and dirty manufacturing there? 

Michael Ixer ● 981d

I'm not defending her but to be clear, activists of that age that I know do not see a viable future with our current tragectory.Hence they tend to see activism as the only sensible way forward.

Matt Palmer ● 981d

'Stupid cow will now have a criminal record and has effectively made herself unemployable'. This seems to me to be the best way of dealing with these climate fanatics.Arrest them on a charge that will give them such a record and in effect eliminate their opportunity for earning.Just as their self-indulgent actions stop albeit temporarily, others from doing so.I was amused to see how precise and specific the actions are they object to.Private jet usage which must be an enormous detrimental factor in climate change; but not of course when compared to coal consuming power stations in China !But a classic example of how some young people balance things.'Shall I be a doctor and help save lives or shall I become an 'activist' and pour excrement over a statue in the hope (or even expectation) that this will draw support for my cause'?BTW how much does an 'activist' earn ?!

John Hawkes ● 981d

lol I don't i'm afraid. The situation at the time was (as i have mentioned repeatedly) that some lawyers (and I think a couple of other professional types) that gave up their paid work to assist during the big protests of 2019 were paid £400 a day - much less than they would get if they did their real jobs incidentally.I'm not sure if that still happens but I think not as now most of the legal support is just provided ad hoc on a pro-bono basis but i could be wrong.

Matt Palmer ● 984d

Hi Matt. I wasn't implying that you protest for payment but others have been paid which has been widely reported in the media.  I just asked if you knew what the current rate is now.

Sue Hammond ● 984d

Hi Ivonne.  I believe Liz Truss is going to COP27. I've heard reports that some other Commonwealth countries - particularly those more affected by climate change - are unhappy with this decision as he's seen as a champion for environmental causes, and is also Head of the Commonwealth and Head of State elsewhere as well as being King in the UK. I shouldn't have been surprised by Greenpeace as they're very good at doing this type of protest, and it was an effective but harmless piece of publicity!

Michael Ixer ● 984d

Hello Michael I,I agree with you regarding Budd.  But she is a typical case that the authorities will want to use as an example?  As for Greenpeace, I was surprised as well but I thought it was brilliant.  With climate change at the top of [everybody else's agenda], pursuing fracking is madness.  I thought the Tory manifesto of 2019 said something to the effect that it would not be pursued?Also, it is very odd that "Lizzie" told King Charles not to go to COP 27.....

Ivonne Holliday ● 984d

Maybe she had a whip round for excrement a full mix from XR.

Andy Pike ● 984d

@SueI believe we have had this conversation a number of times but i'll say it again. Sigh. None of us get paid 400 a day to protest, if we did i'd have given up work long ago and be a full time protestor as it would be so much more fun than my actual job.We can (sometimes) claim back some expenses (not travel) and if we are fined it's very common that the local XR members will chip in to help with the fine.

Matt Palmer ● 984d

That's an interesting point, Sue. Many organisations will ask people to declare offences and check then against the official records, then assess if it's relevance to the job, the risk and what qualifications and expertise the individual has. She probably won't get a job in financial services, cyber security - or with an IT service provider but she probably wouldn't want one. However, there must be a number of jobs where this particular offence wouldn be a problem (Bar work? Artistic jobs? Cutting keys?) as I don't think she presents a threat to anyone physically? I'm sure there are a some senior people in financial services that have serious criminal records such as drunk driving convictions, assault …; of course, it helps to have friends in the right places?Surprised to see Greenpeace hijack the Tory party conference :-)

Michael Ixer ● 984d

Budd was previously arrested last year while protesting with doctors for Extinction Rebellion.She was remanded in custody ahead of sentencing due to 'substantial' risk she could commit another offence.Stupid cow will now have a criminal record and has effectively made herself unemployable.  Oh wait....perhaps XR will pay her £400 pw to protest for them.  Is that still the going rate Matt?

Sue Hammond ● 984d

Thanks Mr W. Must admit I've not heard of District Judges. I guess breaching a previous court order will be treated as a serious offence. 

Michael Ixer ● 985d

I've just been reading about it and (I didn't know this before) there is an office holder called a "District Judge" who hears cases in a Magistrates Court but is not a voluntary person like a magistrate but paid to do the job.So there was a judge (of sorts). No need for a proper trial, as Budd has plead guilty, but they will want to get various reports before sentencing. In particular, one article said that her offence breached a previous order, so it looks like she has a bit of a history and they will thus come down on her like a ton of bricks.

Michael Winstanley ● 985d

Thanks for the update Mr W. I've not really bothered to follow this case, I was responding to the comments posted here.

Michael Ixer ● 985d

Budd has appeared so far at a magistrate's court and admitted her guilt. Is there even a judge involved at this stage?

Michael Winstanley ● 985d

I can see why some will be upset by this, it does seem a strange thing to do. Firstly, presumably, unless she's pleading guilty, as a judge is involved a jury has to find her guilty? Secondly, is prison the most appropriate sentence option? She's not exactly a danger to the public and aren't our prisons already over full? Wouldn't a community service order cleaning statues be more appropriate and less of a burden on taxpayers? Also, I doubt whether a prison sentence will act as a deterrent to others of like mind.

Michael Ixer ● 985d

For at least 6 months, hopefully longer.

Sue Hammond ● 985d

She'll s..t in a toilet next time .

Andy Pike ● 985d

Budd remanded for 3 weeks'The judge said she had made a preliminary assessment that Budd could face between six months and four years in prison.'

Adam Tripp ● 985d

"The eco-zealot who allegedly poured human excrement over a memorial dedicated to Captain Sir Tom Moore has been charged with criminal damage.Police said 21-year-old Madeleine Budd, of Kedleston Avenue, Manchester, was arrested in London on Sunday over the incident in Thistley Meadow in Hatton, Derbyshire.She is set to appear at Westminster Magistrates Court on Tuesday October 4."https://mol.im/a/11275441

Sue Hammond ● 986d

Disgusting individual should be made to clean it off. 🤬 There was loads of the stuff, was it all hers and how long had she been saving it up!?🤢🤮Thank goodness she dropped out of medical school because she's clearly not all there!

Sue Hammond ● 987d

Evidently she dropped out of medical school to become a full time activist.  I just wondered how she afforded to be a full time activist? Can’t see her ever getting full time employment, who’d employ her after this.  What a filthy reputation to have!  

Martine Guy ● 987d

Hate to break it to you Nick but the 'Coulston four' were found not guilty lolFor the record I don't agree with what was done to the Tom Moore statue but most certainly do to the Coulston statue.

Matt Palmer ● 987d

There are a lot of people who are crackers. Why pick on Sir Captain Tom Moore. There seems to be a lot of sad youngsters about.

Barbara Stevens ● 987d

Hopefully she gets sent down like those morons that toppled that Colston statue.Never done a days work in their lives those types

Nick Gulliford ● 987d