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Stabbing

How come there are so many people who think it is OK to just stab anybody that they don't even know. Why are they just walking around if this is in their head, should they not be locked up in Mental Hospital's. Is it because so many are being let into the country and where they come from it is OK and nobody does anything about it. A couple of weeks ago there were a couple of men in the High Street who were trying to put a stop to this. He even told me loads of kids walk around with knives (These were young men) who were trying to do something good.  Are Police going to schools and discussing knives and sharp objects. Are the one's carrying knives not because they want to stab somebody or just protecting themselves. Well any bright answers out there who have younger children are their children frightened.

Barbara Stevens ● 1029d30 Comments

And if drink and or other drugs are involved especially to excess you also have to ask what the underlying reasons for that are.Just walking along a pavement you will find people who are either unwilling to or far too self-absorbed to share that pavement eg walking three or four abreast nattering together and others who are angry and shouting at the world.

Philippa Bond ● 1020d

Apologies - wrong thread!

Ivonne Holliday ● 1025d

Liverpool shooting: Ex-drug dealer questioned over girl's deathhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-62669176His name is Joseph Nee - his name does not sound too foreign to me.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1025d

Sue. I didn't say it was alright. I just gave a few possibly answers to Barbara's question. Perhaps alcohol or drugs could be a reason as well?

Michael Ixer ● 1026d

Oh well that's alright then?🙄Should all the stresses in my life reach boiling point and I lash out and stab someone I'll have the perfect excuse.

Sue Hammond ● 1026d

Barbara, perhaps it's the complexities, stresses, divisions, etc of today's society and day to day life?

Michael Ixer ● 1026d

How come so many people have a short fuse, a lady knocks on a neighbour to ask them to turn their music down and gets stabbed. I suppose that is the electrical companies fault because they make their items so they can be turned up so load they can annoy neighbours. How come older people who should know better, just go and stab somebody. You can't turn to somebody in a pub and tell them to stop shouting, because they will knock the living day lights out of you.

Barbara Stevens ● 1026d

I've listened to people telling of their struggles to get help for their children and know teachers who have to be on the look out and aware of the difficulties the children in their classes may be having to go through at home. Continuity of schooling is very important.

Philippa Bond ● 1028d

Yes, Philippa you obviously know more about Mental Health than anybody else. But you send us Mental.

Barbara Stevens ● 1028d

Barbara  What are you on about?  The NHS is in crisis.  There are huge shortages of staff.  If someone is in need of mental health facilities they need to be referred to them as early as possible before their situation gets any worse.  If there is no easy access to those doctors then that makes it more difficult and even more so when having got that far you cannot get an appointment with a mental health specialist.  Long waiting lists everywhere.Cuts to services, homelessness, joblessness and increasing bureaucracy have caused more stress for people.  Now you have many working people who are also on benefits in order to survive. Employers no longer allow time off to go to the doctor as they did when I first went to work. The number of people now needing a food bank is shameful in such a rich country and the divide between rich and poor has grown. Did you not read my very first reply to you on this thread? 

Philippa Bond ● 1028d

Philippa, why have you now gone on about doctors surgeries. If somebody is stabbed they get an Air Ambulance or Ambulance to go to Hospital. Start your own thread about CANCER and Surgeries.

Barbara Stevens ● 1028d

More like they want to be locked up, as their used to being in that environment. So a little girl up north of 12 got stabbed for playing outside with her friends. An old man on his scooter gets stabbed for nothing. How do the Police deal with something even the person who does it doesn't know when he is going to stab somebody. So everybody is going to die because barristers are earning a minimum wage. What about judges and magistrates, don't tell me they are on a minimum wage.

Barbara Stevens ● 1028d

Many thanks for the link Michael. Vice is a great website that often leaves me informed and depressed :) Personally (and this is completely my own unsubstantiated view) I think we are losing the ability to be "social" and exist in a community of different views. Social media has conditioned us to believe a suitable response to ideas that we don't want to hear is to "block" them. We can block the person who said them, or we can go even further on some platforms and block words/themes entirely. We don't have to see those views, so we lose the ability to deal with them. At the same time, it has become less common for people to sit on the fence. Opinions are often the either of two extremes, with little place for mutual ground. With so much focus on the binary leave/remain referendum choice that has been in people's minds (to some extent) for years, have we lost some ability to compromise? Extreme views combined with the inability to compromise would lead to conflict. Again, I have nothing to back this up, and I don’t believe this is the only factor in the societal changes I perceive, but something has changed since how I remember the London heydays of 2012.

Carl Broadley ● 1028d

Carl, lost part of my post! I'd generally agree with your points, particularly that there are multiple contributing factors. There is also the overt racism in sections of society in the 1960s and 70s which in my opinion inhibited better integration of immigrant communities and created their distrust of authority, including the police. The growing disparity of living standards and perhaps unrealistic expectations set by commercial interests, social media, etc are additional factors?I came across this recently, I haven't had time to check back to the original MIT source or read the paper by the KPMG consultant but we do seem to be heading headlong into problems with society?https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3xw3x/new-research-vindicates-1972-mit-prediction-that-society-will-collapse-soon

Michael Ixer ● 1028d

Years of waiting for cases to come to court.  40% of new barristers left the profession last year...  After new barristers are paid taking into account expenses they may not even be getting the minimum wage...Apparently the Secretary State for Justice has refused to open discussions with the Bar.

Philippa Bond ● 1028d

Carl. Yes, I'd generally agree with your points, particularly that there are multiple contributing factors.

Michael Ixer ● 1028d

Many people can't even get a doctor's appointment let alone a referral anywhere. You may have to sit and refuse to leave a surgery until you are seen (as happened to a friend recently who now is now starting to have cancer treatment) - just imagine trying to do that with a teenager who needs help!

Philippa Bond ● 1028d

@Carl 11.15I would suggest people who think it's OK to stab someone should be locked up for a very long time. Too many criminals play the mental health card to get a softer sentence.

Sue Hammond ● 1028d

I don't believe it is true either, but I'm responding to the assumption that our horrible knife culture is due to "to [sic] many weird people", and not from a lack of investment in infrastructure. In my opinion there are multiple contributing factors, some of which I believe can be attributed to a lack of investment in different areas. I also think (and this is just my belief) there are cultural changes which play a part, such as a more binary, non-inclusive perception of the society. One of the suggestions is mothers and fathers to give advice to their children. We have to be aware that parents could be working multiple jobs and may not have as much time to spend with their children. Depending on one's definition of "infrastructure" (mine is all elements of society), then it could be argued that lack of investment in infrastructure is a key contributing factor to the rise in knife crime.

Carl Broadley ● 1028d

Is it correct that there are many people who consider it ok to stab someone they don't know? I suppose terms such as "many" and "know" could be open to interpretation but I'd question whether the original proposition is true. Is there any evidence to support that?

Michael Ixer ● 1028d

I would suggest people who think it's OK to stab someone could be in need of some mental health assistance. Unfortunately waiting times for mental heath treatment seem to be very long, and inadequate for the demand: https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/news-and-features/latest-news/detail/2020/10/06/two-fifths-of-patients-waiting-for-mental-health-treatment-forced-to-resort-to-emergency-or-crisis-services It looks like more investment in the UK's mental health infrastructure could help.

Carl Broadley ● 1028d

Hi IvonneYes income tax rates are far lower yet the overall tax burden is becoming very high - don’t forget high VAT, stamp duty, Gordon browns ongoing tax raid on pensions etc etc here you are for a chart or two…...https://www.statista.com/chart/24330/uk-tax-burden-as-share-gdp-timeline/https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5326/economics/government-spending/Has police spending etc been cut in real terms yes I agree with you but the more money people want spent on the alter of the NHS and out of work benefits for people I’m sure you realise there is less left for other thingsLook at real terms health spending here - up a staggering 200% in real terms (400-500% in nominal terms since 1996/7…..https://www.statista.com/statistics/301992/health-spending-uk/And no forgetting over 10m working age people now on out of work benefits….https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/dwp-benefits-statistics-february-2022/benefit-combination-to-august-2021-experimental-statisticsAll these links are to charts but will need to scroll down for a coupleBut specifically on knife crime and law and order I agree with Ash.  Politically motivated policing policies, diversity, large scale non integrated immigration etc etc.  And that’s not even getting started in the euphemistically named “Asian grooming gangs” not being properly investigated as it’s embarrassing for local authorities.

Mike Warman ● 1028d

This article below debunks Matt's nonsense that all the illegal boats are carrying men from war torn countrieshttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11088107/Four-10-migrants-arriving-Britain-boats-war-free-Albania.html

Ash Jones ● 1028d

Income tax is a lot lower today (country of low taxes??) compared to post war Britain.  "The highest rate of income tax peaked in the Second World War at 99.25%. It was then slightly reduced and was around 90% through the 1950s and 60s." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom"Borrowing in FYE 2021 was equivalent to 15.0% of UK gross domestic product (GDP), the highest such ratio since the end of World War Two, when it was 15.2% in FYE 1946."https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/december2021#:~:text=Borrowing%20in%20FYE%202021%20was,was%2015.2%25%20in%20FYE%201946.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1028d

My friend is a Police office and she always says their hands are tied.Khan has taken away many of the powers from the Police for the sake of diversity.Of course if a criminal thinks he//she/they/them won't get searched he/she/they/them will be more likely to carry a knife. We also have a huge problem with criminal gangs coming into the country and unfortunately it will continue, as many of our woke minority support the illegal boats coming in and support open borders. The lawlessness will never be reversed as there are too many gangs in the country and the Police are overwhelmed.Also worth pointing out that many on this forum support both Khan's policy and welcome the illegal boats.

Ash Jones ● 1028d

“It is a rolling back of state spending.”Why are taxes as a percentage of GDP (and borrowing) at a post war high then?  Spending is higher than ever - health, out of work and in work benefits oh and don’t forget the £400bn extra borrowing due to the lockdown that was so popular here as well as in the mainstream media.

Mike Warman ● 1028d

No Philippa, I was asking also residents whether they were worried about their children. Not infrastructure, I worked at a hospital 10 yrs and there are more out than in who should be locked up. Does infrastructure stop a child being bullied, no it doesn't because it probably happens on the way home from school. Does infrastructure tell a man not to follow a girl home from school, or get his bits and pieces out to show her , no it doesn't. Does investment stop men trying to kidnap a child no it doesn't. A mother or father giving advice to their child, not to talk to strangers. Lets hope their children listen. Also keep an eye on who their children's friends are.

Barbara Stevens ● 1029d

No Barbara  There is a lack of investment in infrastructure and just about everything.  It is a rolling back of state spending.

Philippa Bond ● 1029d

No Philippa, more like to many weird people who think they can do what they want.

Barbara Stevens ● 1029d

No - it is because a lack of investment in many things IN this country for more than a decade: lack of investment in schooling, adult education, training together with the health service including mental health just to start.

Philippa Bond ● 1029d