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Not convinced with the lifting of restrictions

I am not convinced, or comfortable, with the lifting of restrictions announced by the PM today.It all seems to quick and political to me.  It would also have been more sensible to do this in the spring and not in winter?One hotelier is telling the staff to go to work if the have no symptoms but yes a positive test result????

Ivonne Holliday ● 1210d60 Comments

As you say:-"What a top guy.He can see what is happening."Steve Baker MP, "Brexit hardman":“Brexit is a fiasco”Umm, he can see what is happening. He just has forgotten his involvement.

David Ainsworth ● 1208d

What a top guy.He can see what is happening.https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1496146405391581201

Tim Wood ● 1208d

I'm wearing my red T-shirt today. Once those Russian tanks start moving through Eastern Ukraine, who knows how far they will get? Those tanks can advance fast.

David Ainsworth ● 1208d

I saw a similar headline in The Telegraph and could not believe it.There again, Trump was against NATO and always thought Putin was a good guy...Well, Trump single handed declared that Jerusalem was Israel's capital...It takes one to know one?

Ivonne Holliday ● 1208d

We'll, according to QAnon's hero, that stable genius Trump, Putin is also a genius …https://www.npr.org/2022/02/22/1082478790/trump-praises-putin-as-savvy-amid-new-escalations-on-russia-ukraine-border
… does that mean that Vlad has found those videos of of Trump's adventures and frolics in a Moscow hotel room? Let's hope Ukraine isn't the start of the Great Factory Reset with nukes that takes us back to the 'roach bootstrap :-(

Michael Ixer ● 1208d

"Have you listened to the 3hr podcast which was provided to you?"Favour us with a summary of what you got from it, please.

David Ainsworth ● 1208d

Explain to us how Ukraine fits into the Great Re-set.

David Ainsworth ● 1208d

You have been provided info and video clips.If you can't connect the dots there is no hope for you.Have you listened to the 3hr podcast which was provided to you?

Tim Wood ● 1208d

See what I mean, Matt? Ask for actual evidence and all you get is bland nonsense. They're really not worth bothering with, I'd leave them alone to wallow in their fantasies, at least it keeps them off the streets.

Richard Carter ● 1208d

The WEF rehearsed every aspect of the plandemic two months before it went live (Event 201), right down to how 'disinformation' should be dealt with; then boasted about the marvellous opportunities the plandemic brought. Schwab is def a big player in the scam.

Michael Brown ● 1209d

"You are very naïve to what is happening with the 'great reset' agenda"Well, quite possibly but maybe that's because people such as yourself and Mr Brown have been telling us for 2 years that CV19 is all just some massive conspiracy to... i don't know, track us with 5g or something or other. According to you lot in 2019 by 2022 we would all be enslaved to our WEF overlords.If you could just point to one single webpage on the WEF site that gives you cause for concern that would be great. You Tube links to commentators just doesn't cut it for me, sorry.And....chemtrails....really??

Matt Palmer ● 1209d

Gosh, well we must all be grateful that such selfless and freedom-loving people as yourself exist. Just be careful that the WEF do not get to hear of your existence. Fortunately, your secret is safe on the web.

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

Video link of Schwab speaking about infiltrating the Canadian, Argentinian and French governments.https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1495732326235529223A question is asked in the Canadian parliament about Klaus Schwab penetrating half of the Canadian government and the speaker quickly shut down the question and made out he couldn't hear the audio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LENRhxcwe8Y&t=11sAnother video below worth a watch regarding Schwab and the 'great reset'https://twitter.com/aspenbvsed/status/1496002405124747264It's happening right in front of our very eyes.I often see your comments on this forum Matt. You are very naïve to what is happening with the 'great reset' agendaDigital identity and CBDC's will change the world for the worse.  The future is about population control and limiting protests on the streets. If you protest you will have your assets and bank accounts frozen exactly like what is happening in Canada right now.Listen to this Joe Rogan podcast with Maajid Nawaz below.It's an absolute eye opener of how corrupt world leaders have become.https://rumble.com/vvexre-must-watch-joe-rogan-talks-with-maajid-nawaz-episode-1780.html

Tim Wood ● 1209d

Exactly!!!

Ivonne Holliday ● 1209d

unsurprising....

Matt Palmer ● 1209d

It is a youtube link, unfortunately!https://youtu.be/RxtiD8Z6gBIDoes anyone know why it is youtu.be?And no, I could not find it on the WEF webpage.....

Ivonne Holliday ● 1209d

I'd like to watch the video from the WEF please, apologies if you have already posted, can you send the link to the WEF webpage where I can find it?thanks

Matt Palmer ● 1209d

What platform are your sources from Ivonne?I suspect most on here get there info from MSM who are funded by the global elites, big Pharma and the corporations. They have their own narrative.Did you see the video from the WEF?klaus Schwab admitted that they are penetrating governments around the world in order to implement the WEF agenda.Anyone that doesn't do their own research in the current climate is a fool.

Tim Wood ● 1209d

I most certainly do, but never in social media.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1209d

Do you not do any independent research Ivonne?Many people just believe what they are told on the TV.Have a look at this account on twitter. They have been gathering information for many months on the vaccine side effects.https://twitter.com/theysayitsrare/status/1495784797150584838

Tim Wood ● 1209d

None.I do not consider youtube a reliable source of information.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1209d

Injecting an untested substance into your body is personal choice but more and more information coming out is getting scary.MRNA vaccines elevate myocarditis risk by 133x according to a new study.Anyone know of people having heart attacks or blood clots within 2 weeks of the vaccine? There are law suits happening right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAiXeDfrRjk

Tim Wood ● 1209d

"ONS figures show only rise in excess deaths following CV jab introduction in March 2021. Not the virus. Coincidence?"No, just wrong. Go back to your source, preferably the ONS.SHOW ME."Between the 28 December and 14 March 2020, there were 7,430 deaths fewer than expected compared with the 2015 to 2019 average for the same period (Figure 2; shown as 0 on the vertical axis). By 1 April 2020, the number of deaths was 1,112 deaths above average. Cumulative excess deaths continued to rise, reaching a peak of 97,749 by 24 February 2021. Despite the falling number of deaths and a period of deaths below average, total deaths between 28 December 2019 and 2 July 2021 were still well above average, with 82,797 deaths more than we would expect." (ONS - Excess mortality and mortality displacement in England and Wales: 2020 to mid-2021)https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/excessmortalityandmortalitydisplacementinenglandandwales/2020tomid2021"By 1 April 2020, the number of deaths was 1,112 deaths above average. Cumulative excess deaths continued to rise, reaching a peak of 97,749 by 24 February 2021."

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

"In the first week of this BS, Dominic Raab stood up on the BBC BS rostrum and said, or words to the effect of: "Stay at home and prepare for the NEW NORMAL". If that doesn't tell you.."It certainly tells me something about you and your willingness to bend anything to fit your ideas. It is an old expression, not some new invention by lizards or aliens, or whatever, to slyly give the Illuminati a nudge or a hint.Wikipedia:-"In 1918, Henry A. Wise Wood posted a dilemma,To consider the problems before us we must divide our epoch into three periods, that of war, that of transition, that of the NEW NORMAL, which undoubtedly will supersede the old. The questions before us, therefore, are, broadly, two: How shall we pass from war to the new normal with the least jar, in the shortest time? In that respect should the new normal be shaped to differ from the old? 1990s dot-com bubble:-The phrase was extensively used by Roger McNamee in his 2003 interview to Fast Company while describing the NEW NORMAL in technology development in regards to business and finance after the dot-com bubble bust,Forget about the Next Big Thing, the next thing has started. It’s called the New Normal, and 2003 will be the first full year of it. The New Normal isn’t where you wait for the next boom. It’s about the rest of your life. ... There was so much urgency that every standard — for due diligence, leadership, recruiting, and investment — was relaxed. The New Normal is about real life — and real time. Getting things right the first time is more important than getting things done quickly."

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

"POINTLESS ARGUMENT!?Facts, sources, arguments and honesty just crumble away faced with the power of faith then, do they? You rightly are ashamed of your sources." - If that last phrase is a prejorative question - and I would guess it is - then no. Otherwise still no.""If you believe in a virus".IF! Are the dead faking it or hiding somewhere? The excess deaths are just made up?"ONS figures show only rise in excess deaths following CV jab introduction in March 2021. Not the virus. Coincidence?

David Nugent ● 1209d

"I have given up giving links as then we get into a pointless argument about what sources are honest etc."POINTLESS ARGUMENT!?Facts, sources, arguments and honesty just crumble away faced with the power of faith then, do they? You rightly are ashamed of your sources."If you believe in a virus".IF! Are the dead faking it or hiding somewhere? The excess deaths are just made up?

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

In the first week of this BS, Dominic Raab stood up on the BBC BS rostrum and said, or words to the effect of: "Stay at home and prepare for the NEW NORMAL". If that doesn't tell you..

Michael Brown ● 1209d

I have given up giving links as then we get into a pointless argument about what sources are honest etc. If you believe in a virus and the efficacy of the jab then that is for you and you alone to research. Informed consent is a personal matter David.  Whatever I say isn't going to help you... is it?

David Nugent ● 1209d

"If mask-wearing is being done to protect others, why am I being constantly bumped into by mask-wearers who seem unaware of my presence?"PERHAPS THEY ARE WEARING EYE PROTECTION, AS YOU WISH THEM TO.

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

"If mask-wearing prevents transmission of disease then why don’t masks cover the most vulnerable area (for receiving infection) on the face ie the eyes?"SOURCE FOR THAT CLAIM?

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

"Where is the evidence that this virus has been isolated? What percentage of CV tests are fake?Anyone?"HOW ABOUT YOU TELL US?

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

I would add that quoting MSM personal and using ad-hominid “debunking” claims when most of the MSM media is using the Reuters News Feed is largely meaningless.WHY? EXPLAIN.As are so called “fact-checkers”."Fullfact" is in fact another arm of Pfizer, so much for the fullness of their facts!DO YOU HAVE A SOURCE FOR THAT CLAIM?

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

Well said Ash!I would add that quoting MSM personal and using ad-hominid “debunking” claims when most of the MSM media is using the Reuters News Feed is largely meaningless. As are so called “fact-checkers”. "Fullfact" is in fact another arm of Pfizer, so much for the fullness of their facts!They and many of the people on here seem to mistakenly think ad-hominid attacks are valid and constitute “medical debunking” without ever referring to real Science (which should surely constantly question the narrow mainstream narrative such as we have now). WHO themselves have flip-flopped and mixed message throughout; to confuse people. They clearly cannot ever be relied upon for proper medical interpretation, analysis or truth imo. By the way, To keep saying that people who believe in a different and more progressive way of proceeding are simply “flat earthers” or “tin-foil hat wearers” is silly and unhelpful to the discussion.The scientists who call out mask wearing often have the same questions that we ourselves dare to ask if we’re honest!If mask-wearing prevents transmission of disease then why don’t masks cover the most vulnerable area (for receiving infection) on the face ie the eyes?If mask-wearing is being done to protect others, why am I being constantly bumped into by mask-wearers who seem unaware of my presence? Why has the country with the highest vaccine uptake (Israel) also got the highest rate of Omicron and hospitalizations?Where is the evidence that this virus has been isolated? What percentage of CV tests are fake?Anyone? Without personal attacks please… or MSM half-truths and downright lies…

David Nugent ● 1209d

Yes, the low death rates from omicron shows how effective the vaccines were :-)

Michael Ixer ● 1209d

You hit the nail on the head Michael.This forum is full of clowns who can't think for themselves.The science has been wrong all the way through this PLANdemic.Professor Ferguson as recently as December said he expects 5000 deaths from OmiCON. But barely a few hundred people have died from what is effectively 'the common cold'.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10321139/Is-UK-heading-New-Year-lockdown-Professor-Neil-Ferguson-7-000-Omicron-deaths-DAY.htmlThe conspiracy theorists have been right all along and the so called 'experts' have been getting it wrong time and time again.The rule makers were breaking the rules in Downing street because they knew this wasn't a deadly virus.The misinformation and scare tactics that has been spread by the MSM has been appalling. Many on this forum have fallen for the 'Nudge' scare tactics and headlines they see on TV.As mentioned above, we are now moving from a phase of government dictated Covid laws to one of personal responsibility and judgement, but so few of the brainwashed on here have the confidence to think for themselves.I agree that the Richard's of this world can carry on wearing their masks when they sleeps and when they go swimming, but the rest of us can act like grown adults who can make a calculated decision on what is safe and what is not.

Ash Jones ● 1209d

Mr Brown writes:-"Confident, independent people, however, will relish a return to a lifestyle where they can make their own judgements and decisions."But what does he mean? Surely as a "confident, independent" person he will not need to be RETURNING to "a lifestyle where they can make their own judgements and decisions", as he will never have abandoned that lifestyle in the first place? After all, as Mr Brown wrote on 29/4/20:-"no, no, no; this is going to go on and on. The whole point of the lockdown is to change things forever in a way that is advantageous to our rulers and detrimental to us, so lockdown won’t properly end until the transition period has reached the irreversible point, by which time jobs will be few and there will be very little money around, with many people dependent on the State. We will all be monitored via 5G with tracing technology, and rooted to the spot if not vaccinated for a vaccine that we don’t need." He'd never kowtow. Unless - Oh No!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_the_Body_Snatchers_(1978_film)#/media/File:Donald_Sutherland_bodysnatchers_scream.jpg

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

I've no idea what Mr Brown is going on about; has he read the posts? I don't think any are against easing the rules (there is no lockdown at present so many of us have been going about our daily lives in what now constitutes "normal"). The first debate is about whether the easing of rules is based on the scientific data or the need to save Johnson's political career and hence the question of whether rules are being eased at the correct rate. The second point is about ensuring data is verifiable, accurate and interpreted against validated knowledge. Thirdly, while easing rules it's sensible to consider mitigating actions - as Johnson said, we haven't got rid of the virus - another new more virilant mutation is still possible; hence it seems unwise to ramp back too far on testing as that provides data we need about the quantity, transmission and variants of the virus; we need adequate sick pay so those that are seriously ill aren't forced into work spreading disease to others at work, schools, on transport, etc; and there may still be a case for wearing masks in some situations to minimise transmission - care homes, hospitals?

Michael Ixer ● 1209d

Feel better after that, Mr Brown?

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

Certain types want their bottoms wiped by government, so are naturally alarmed by the hand and paper being taken away. Confident, independent people, however, will relish a return to a lifestyle where they can make their own judgements and decisions. I'm quite happy for the Carters of this world to remain locked up, masked up, vaxxed/boostered up, if that's what they want, providing normal healthy minded people have choices.

Michael Brown ● 1209d

I agree with you, Richard. However, as I've noted before, I feel such inaccurate or unsubstantiated statement should be challenged for the benefit of those who might belive they have validity and might make poor decision the basis of them. (For example, a vulnerable person who might believe Covid is a hoax and fail to take sensible precautions.)I'm not against challenging accepted theories, it happens all the time in astronomy and where would we be without Gallileo or Einstein :-), but such challenges must have robust, reviewable evidence or be based on experiments that others can repeat.

Michael Ixer ● 1209d

Michael, David, Matt: I think we're wasting our time trying to argue sensibly with these people: it's like trying to persuade the likes of Michael Brown that, after all, the world isn't flat. They seem to live in a parallel universe, in which rationality and peer-reviewed evidence count for nothing beside something "I read on the internet."

Richard Carter ● 1209d

It was interesting that Johnson said we should be more like Germany (in the context of not struggling into work when sick). A Facebook friend just reminded me that in Germany sick pay is 50% of wages for 84 weeks - and Germany has proportional representation. Yes, Mr Johnson, we need to be more like Germany: put up sick pay so people aren't forced into work when they're ill and introduce PR before the next general election!

Michael Ixer ● 1209d

David N. Please provide links to the peer reviewed papers of Cowan and Kaufman for us to read. What's also interesting is that those with Covic symptoms usually return positive PCR and LFT results which surely provides empirical evidence they work whatever the mechanism?

Michael Ixer ● 1209d

"Considering only 350 adults aged under 60 with no underlying conditions have died of Covid in the UK"Any source for that? Up-to-date, preferably.Metro, 28th December 2020:-"A total of 388 people under 60-years-old with no pre-existing health conditions have died of coronavirus in hospitals in England, NHS data has shown.The figures show that 1,979 people who tested positive for coronavirus between April 2 and December 23 died in England’s hospitals, despite being previously healthy.Of those, 338 were aged between 40 and 59, 44 were between 20 and 39 and six were under 19-years-old. In the same period, 45,770 people with underlying health conditions died, with 2,926 aged between 40 and 59, and 263 aged between 20 and 39."https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/28/388-brits-under-60-with-no-underlying-conditions-died-of-covid-in-hospitals-13815524/And this was to December 2020, and England and Wales, NOT the whole of the UK.Do you care about trying to be accurate? Or is it just about effect?

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

Given that, on 5 March 2019, "24.4% of the UK population were at risk due to a record of at least one underlying health condition, including 8.3% of school-aged children, 19.6% of working-aged adults" (https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-021-10427-2), I wonder if you'd like to explain why the figure you quoted is so reassuring.

Richard Carter ● 1209d

"Dr. Andrew Kaufman made the rounds in the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic by claiming the virus did not exist. Now, he leads anti-maskers in public demonstrations and tells hundreds of thousands of YouTube users that everything they know about medicine is wrong""Dr. Kaufman is part of a conspiracy movement that believes the pandemic is being manufactured to take away people’s rights, and his calm and confident demeanour can appear very convincing even when he makes outrageous claims like that appendicitis is simply constipation"andThomas "Cowan has argued against the widely accepted scientific view that pathogens cause a variety of diseases. He promoted conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 pandemic, claiming 5G wireless communications are responsible for making people sick. A video of Cowan's claims, made at an anti-vaccination conference, quickly gained a widespread audience when it was promoted by multiple Facebook accounts.The World Health Organization, along with numerous health authorities, established COVID-19 is not transmitted by any kind of electronic communications and has spread in many regions where new 5G wireless equipment has not been installed."

David Ainsworth ● 1209d

You make some great points David. Considering only 350 adults aged under 60 with no underlying conditions have died of Covid in the UK, it amazes me how many people have fallen for all the brainwashing from the media outlets.As pointed out above, We are now moving from a phase of government dictated Covid laws to one of personal responsibility and judgement. If the likes of Richard wants to continue policing the general public and being a Covid Marshall in the shops then so be it, but it won't be long before he faces a backlash!

Ash Jones ● 1209d

@Richard when you say 'is that so difficult to grasp?' you are  implying that people with a different viewpoint are intellectually inferior to you. When that is your main way of contributing to a debate, you've already lost.

Jo Amadi ● 1209d

I can understand why so many people want to continue to wear masks and "follow the science" but I would ask was it science or fear that was driving mask wearing? Recent articles in the Telegraph and Guardian have questioned the morality of using "Nudge" behavioural psychology (brainwashing?)on the population over the last 2 years. It maybe a given that if you are the victim of brainwashing, you will be the last to realise... that's the point! So you may no longer be able to make rational decisions for yourself...I cannot and will not accept any more flawed "data" or analysis on who has "the disease" and who doesn't as 1) The PCR and LFT tests are not testing for any virus or infectious agent and are scientifically invalid. Also2) Microbiologists such as Dr. Tom Cowan and Dr. Andrew Kaufman have debunked "virus" and "germ" theory with their books and papers. They point out that no viruses have ever been isolated and that Sars-Cov2 is based upon a computer generated model.We may, in the future look to what really causes diseases. Is it diet or water? Are chemtrails a real effect (I can see planes are putting out long lasting trails - what is happening here?) Are microwaves (and that includes phone transmitters) really as safe as we may believe? (Safety studies have not been done since the early 1990s!)Finally... Flulike symptoms are merely a sign that the body is being poisoned (remember Chernobyl 1986) so it may not be appropriate to assign "disease" to this particular set of symptoms but to always look further for other toxifying effects in the environment.

David Nugent ● 1209d

I don't want to be locked down forever and i'm tired of restrictions but the fact that the science disagrees with the gov is enough to convince me that it's too early.We have higher case rates than many other countries and yet none of them seem to be doing this, why are we the first?

Matt Palmer ● 1209d

Not at all but those folk will be like that with or without legislation. It's been 2 years now and even those that have abided by the rules all through are looking to move on.

Andy Pike ● 1209d

I don't know who these people are who "just want to lock down forever," but you won't find any here, just people who are concerned at the heedlessness of others. Is that so difficult to grasp?

Richard Carter ● 1209d

Well said Paul Rolink. We are moving from a phase of government dictated covid laws to one of personal responsibility and judgement. Some people just want to lock down forever. The great thing is that is an also a personal choice; people can choose to lock themselves down if they are uncomfortable with the risk of living a full life but why demand everyone else does?

Jo Amadi ● 1209d

Agreed but that's the position now.  Those that dont test it ignore the test result travel on the tube and buses now. There will always be those but we must try normality for the benefit of the majority otherwise the vaccination programme becomes worthless.Some say leave it another month but keep on delaying only fuels those against the controls. There is no perfect time or perfect solution

Andy Pike ● 1210d

I'm also concerned that the Treasury has forced the removal of most free testing, it seems to suit people like Paul Rollink: if mass testing stops, how will anyone know that the level of infection has fallen sufficiently for it to be no longer of concern?

Richard Carter ● 1210d

It's all very well to say that if someone turns up in the office coughing and spluttering, peer pressure will send them home, but if they've travelled in on public transport they'll have had the chance to pass the infection on to many others. And it's not people who will mask up I'm concerned about, but those who think themselves above it or who just don't care.

Richard Carter ● 1210d

Ivonne, I sense it is political to keep the MPs on the right happy. However, as Paul has pointed out, most of those who want to be vaccinated have been. I've personally been out and about to theatres, opera, pubs, restaurants, lectures, trade shows/networking evnts, etc since we've been allowed to - I take the view that now I'm vaccinated there is a risk but I'd hate to sit at home for another two years only to then walk under a bus or get terminally ill from something else. However, I have been careful: regular testing and wearing masks - as much to protect others than me. From what I've seen over the past few months most people I know who've caught Covid seem to have been infec ted by their children or grand-children as it seems to have been running rampant through schools - fortunately vaccinated adults seem to have had relatively minor cases (like bad flu at worst).  (Ok, I know flu can be serious and fatal, but not for most people.)There are obviously a significant number of people with vulnerabilities or immune problems so I would question the announcement to rescind free testing so soon; I also hope that reduced testing doesn't affect the genomic sequencing of new variants. (I know that's done via PCR tests but if there's fewer LFTs then presumably there will also be fewer follow up PCR confirmation tests? Or will the ONS random survey tests be continued.)

Michael Ixer ● 1210d

Personally I think if someone turns up in the office coughing and spluttering peer pressure will send them home. I think we have to give normality a chance and let people decide for themselves. I expect many , including me, will still use Lateral flows as necessary and also mask up in shops and on transport.

Andy Pike ● 1210d

There were two look outs in the crow's nest on the Titanic and it still hit an iceberg.It would be better if those who become ill stayed at home and the way that this is being handled will mean that those who may want to take responsibility may not be able to afford to.  There has been less illness this winter because it was easier for sick people to not have to go to work.

Philippa Bond ● 1210d

After 2 years now you know what you need to do keep yourself safe.I'll take my chances thank you as I'm sure the vast majority of people will do. We've had enough.The vaccines have done their job. We are getting our life back at last.

Paul Rolink ● 1210d