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Hello Richard,Apologies for the delay in replying, but it could not be helped.I do not disagree that Virginia Giuffre was trafficked by Epstein and Maxwell when she was 17, a minor in many States of the US.One of the aspects that surprised me from the beginning is that she was trafficked, but not imprisoned, by Epstein or Maxwell.  As one of their victims testified at the trial, she was going back home and driven, together with other girls, back to wherever Epstein and Maxwell were by the girls boyfriend???  What I also find difficult to understand is why did they not ask for help before or why not avoid them altogether.  Why go back and back?Another aspect that surprised me was the omission the matter of consent, particularly when referring to addresses in London.  It is a very sticky issue, I agree, but if she agreed to travel with Epstein and Maxwell to the UK, so was she forced to have sex  with various men?  If so, why talk of abuse and not say rape too?  The other thing that also surprised me was that Giuffre did not testify at Maxwell's trial.  That makes me believe that she was not interested in the trafficking aspect, nor has she sought convictions of the other men she claims she was obliged to attend to.  Just Prince Andrew.As far as Prince Andrew is concerned, he used to be called Randy Andy for some reason. So, I do not think he is squeaky clean but I do think that she is not altogether honest but yes rather calculating? Just a few thoughts.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1444d

Oops a few typos in that (still getting familiar with new tablet keyboard and predictive text foibles):Queen paying 2m quid to a woman prince Andrew 'doesn't know' is surely a new low?

Cut the lot of them adrift once she dies i reckon.Matt Palmer ● 13h 41 Comments LATEST   REPLY TO TOPIC Ivonne Holliday ● 38m ReplyI will continue tomorrow, but I really think both of them are guilty.  And by both I mean PA and Miss Roberts - afterwards known as Mrs Giuffre. Michael Ixer ● 53m ReplyAgreed, Martine. I think one can be trafficked at any age and although I didn't follow it very closely I think the suggestion was that Ms Maxwell looked for vulnerable girls to groom for Epstein and his friends, and that most of the girls would have been under the age of consent in many US states.Ed, just to add, I believe most of the private jet flights would have been between the US mainland and his private island in the US Virgin Islands so presumably there would be no immigration or customs checks as they would be classed as internal flights. (And well out of the way of the UK's jurisdiction.) It would be easy for Maxwell, Epstein and a young woman or two to enter the UK without any flags being raised; after all, they'd appear very respectable compared with the eastern europeans who seem to traffic women to the UK without any problems.I don't think anyone would accuse PA of being directly involved in any trafficking but given the alledged closeness of him to Epstein and Maxwell one does have to wonder how much he knew? Perhaps Epstein was so useful to his networking with influential, rich people that he was blind to anything untoward going on? We'll probably never know now he (or his family) have paid for silence. 

Michael Ixer ● 1446d