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Formula 1 will STOP drivers from taking the knee at the front of grid

Good decision! 👏🏻 Pointless virtual signalling gesture.🙄 Football next, hopefully. Formula 1 will STOP drivers from taking the knee at the front of grid:https://mol.im/a/10489115

Sue Hammond ● 1456d27 Comments

Not matter what anyone says black olives matter.  A cocktail evening is not complete without.

John James ● 1453d

re grandstanding hypocrites  Mostly footballers, who then do not apply their values in respect of Qatar and/or China.  Money comes first  At least Lewis Hamilton has always ' put his money where his mouth is'

Barbara Shillabeer ● 1454d

Hi Barbara, How do you feel about people drowning when attempting to cross the channel? Should lifeboats etc save them?thanks

Matt Palmer ● 1454d

"I hate with a passion, politics and grandstanding hypocritics"Who do you see as doing this?

David Ainsworth ● 1454d

+It isn't an innocent thing as you put it.  I genuinely believe ALL lives are important and should have equal standing and opportunity regardless of race colour or religion  Not really likely to happen but for myself, that is what I try to live by  I hate with a passion, politics and grandstanding hypocritics

Barbara Shillabeer ● 1454d

Barbara, you really need to understand that the "All lives matter" isn't the innocent thing you suppose, but an extreme right-wing trope.

Richard Carter ● 1454d

My reading of the article is that it doesn't say taking the knee will be banned but just that those who wish to do it will be required kneel at a different stage in the race. Sounds to me the FIA are pandering to a sponsor, broadcaster or circuit organiser that isn't happy with it - races are now taking places in some countries that are less liberal than in the original home of F1, Europe. I don't see any issue with taking the knee and of course all lives matter but BLM are just highlighting that that doesn't always seem to be the case given the way some black people are treated?

Michael Ixer ● 1454d

2 Different things Philippa.  Hopefully we all stand against racism of any race, but taking the knee is virtue signalling and meaningless  And yes, I will be parroting.  ALL lives matter and that is not meaningless

Barbara Shillabeer ● 1454d

Rather like those who parrot the phrase "All lives matter," whilst totally missing the point.

Richard Carter ● 1454d

I suspect that a lot more people don't see what is wrong with taking the knee or standing up to racism and wonder what the problem is with those that do?

Philippa Bond ● 1454d

Not this time. Just my memory bolstered by Google (mostly Google).

David Ainsworth ● 1454d

Got your Oxford Dictionary of Quotations out again David?

Sue Hammond ● 1454d

""David you are clearly looking for a disagreement today"No change there then."Some of us sadly lack your sweet, acceptant nature, Ms Hammond. ---------------------------There is so much good in the worst of us, And so much bad in the best of us, That it ill behoves any of us To find fault with the rest of us.

David Ainsworth ● 1455d

Ivonne  You are perfectly correct to name the groups that use ribbons for awareness of their cause  The choice was up to the beholder whether to support or not  The problem with BLM is there was no choice.  Bend the knee.  This affronted many people who go to watch sport and not to be bludgeoned with polital propaganda Especially when they didn't agree with it.It is alo questionable how succwessful this action was causing racial tension in itself.Use an armband,.Just as effective

Barbara Shillabeer ● 1455d

@Andy"David you are clearly looking for a disagreement today"No change there then.

Sue Hammond ● 1455d

@Maxine@Maxine'Taking the knee'🙄doesn't offend me at all, I just don't see the relevance of it. Kneeling is a subservient position so when you say that "people wish to stand in solidarity" I find that statement risible! There were 30 teenage victims of knife crime in London last year and the majority of them were BAME, as were the perpetrators. Where are all these posturing kneelers and BLM activists hiding when a black teenager gets killed by a black perpetrator? Why aren't these kneelers and activists out on the streets protesting about these ongoing tragedies? It is interesting to note that an increasing number of footballers have now stopped this pointless kneeling. Veteran black player and now pundit John Barnes has long been sceptical about taking the knee, Wilfried Zaha says the gesture is "degrading" and Ivan Toney's opinion is that the players are being "used as puppets". Is the tide turning?Dan Wootton sums it up perfectly:"Taking the knee is meaningless gesture politics that makes the virtue signallers feel warm and fuzzy inside, whilst doing absolutely nothing to deal with the real problems at hand.  Obviously stamping out racism in society is important and something we should all be working towards every day. But the UK is one of the least racist and most tolerant countries in the world. And why is combatting racism considered more important by the Premier League than stamping out homophobia or sexism?"I wonder what kneeler-in-chief Lewis Hamilton will do now?

Sue Hammond ● 1455d

Of course it affects [some] people.But wearing a pink ribbon to raise awareness of breast and gynaecological cancers, they do not affect everybody.The same with the red ribbon that raises awareness of HIV but it does not affect everyone.The yellow ribbon raises awareness about suicide, particularly among young people.The list is not exhaustive and awareness campaigns take many different shapes and forms.  Raise awareness is exactly that, educate people on problems that may not affect them directly or indirectly.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1455d

"David you are clearly looking for a disagreement today"Sorry, am I in the wrong Forum?"enjoy your day"Thank you, but I have other plans.

David Ainsworth ● 1455d

David you are clearly looking for a disagreement today, enjoy your day.

Andy Pike ● 1455d

"Whatever happened to tolerance acceptance and understanding of a different view or way"When was that?!

David Ainsworth ● 1455d

Raising awareness of a problem does affect people.

David Ainsworth ● 1455d

The point is to raise awareness of the problem.This action/gesture does not affect anybody at the time it is being done.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1455d

What would be the point of an action which would affect nobody?

David Ainsworth ● 1455d

Exactly.

Matt Palmer ● 1455d

Surely people should be allowed to do whatever they want, as long as it doesn't effect anyone else. Who actually cares?

Geoff Trimm ● 1455d

Isn't the point being made that they dont stand.Not sure why folk get uptight about taking the knee nor am I sure it has any real effect but why does everything have to be pro or anti.Whatever happened to tolerance acceptance and understanding of a different view or way

Andy Pike ● 1455d

Explain what you mean by virtue signalling and why it offends you that people wish to stand in solidarity with people of colour?

Maxine Campbell ● 1456d