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61 Passengers On 2 Flights From SA Test Covid Positive

Breaking news on LBC. Not confirmed yet if it's the latest new Omicron variant but they must have been carrying a Covid virus prior to boarding the plane so why were they allowed to travel at all? This is very worrying and there surely must be a blanket ban on all flights from SA now!

Sue Hammond ● 1296d79 Comments

It’s all been a Pack of LiesOr: https://www.bitchute.com/video/JwhAiexP0cI9/

Michael Brown ● 1286d

An interesting correlation from the US. Mistrust/misinformation regarding vaccines leads to lower vaccination rates and higher deaths :-(https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

Michael Ixer ● 1288d

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/03/italian-man-tries-to-dodge-covid-vaccine-wearing-fake-arm

Michael Winstanley ● 1290d

Some science based views on the new Omicrom Covid variant - obviously more research required ...https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232217/qa-imperial-experts-discuss-variant-b11529/

Michael Ixer ● 1290d

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/comedian-torches-anti-vaxxer-audience-081854076.html

Michael Winstanley ● 1290d

Michael Brown, what are you trying to achieve by posting your conspiratorial views on life, the world and everything else on this forum??? (that's a genuine question)

Adam Tripp ● 1291d

I rest my case.

Michael Winstanley ● 1291d

Good night.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1291d

Why the general world population is being destroyed financially, mentally and physically; and why all truth is being suppressed by the ruling cabal.You’ll need a Facebook account to watch this vid:Your Planned Future – Voluntarily Vaxxed or Force-VaxxedOr: https://fb.watch/9EZZCVG2K7/

Michael Brown ● 1291d

Absolutely. In fact I have masterminded the whole intricate worldwide conspiracy that you have so cleverly seen through with your penetrating vision and razor sharp analytical skills. And I would have got away with it if it wasn't for that pesky Mickey Brown.

Michael Winstanley ● 1291d

Can’t help being a bit of a t**t as per usual eh, Mick? Can’t debate your way out of a brown paper bag either 🥴

Freddie Francis ● 1291d

What a horrible posting!  You may disagree with Michael Winstanley and may of us on here, but this post is beyond ridiculous!I disagree with your postings but do I call you Captain Mainwaring?

Ivonne Holliday ● 1291d

Brigadier Winstanley, don't make it worse for yourself - everyone already knows you're a shill.

Michael Brown ● 1291d

A sacked GP and an orthopedist? You waste people's time with this stuff. It really makes me laugh when you lot talk about "doing your own research". Get your PhD in vaccinology or virology. Do a few years post-doctoral research in that field. Then you might be in a position to do this sort of research effectively and put the results in context. Even going to med school doesn't get you there. Thus snuffingly around the internet for these kinds of titbits and presenting them as "evidence" or "reserach" is just a joke. So amongst the 9 million qualified doctors worldwide you can find a few loonies. Well done.Even these guys don't support the "great re-set" and "Bill Gates is controlling us" drivel you guys come out with.

Michael Winstanley ● 1291d

Not Facebook, PLEASE!  Likewise, not Twitter, Instagram or whichever social media that is available.  Thank you.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1291d

You’ll need a Facebook account to watch these:Proper Doctor 1Or: https://www.facebook.com/groups/439835477699888/posts/439909674359135/Proper Doctor 2Or:https://www.facebook.com/1707444457/videos/274002481337818/

Michael Brown ● 1291d

Feel free to provide some evidence David, nothing from you tube though please.

Matt Palmer ● 1291d

@Mick, this: “Yes, I've noticed. Certain posters can't accept, or sensibly debate, evidence that goes against their cause.” …has to be the most hypocritical and hilariously ironic thing you’ve said yet! Bravo 👏 I doubt you’ll top that.

Freddie Francis ● 1291d

Sorry... but that does sound a bit like"Rinse and Repeat"I feel that there will be many like Barbara who will need more perceptive councilling than what is available from the narrow band of "BBC Science" followers on here. This is an awakening process where people like Barbara may well start to question the wisdom of what they have been told. I feel sad that I and others cannot simply tell people they are misguided and wrong to follow what they have been told... Everyone needs to find out the truth for themselves in their own time. I fear that when it emerges, the truth will be unpalletable for many..

David Nugent ● 1291d

Barbara, glad you're fully vaccinated ;-) The Pfizer CEO has predicted we'll need annual jabs just like 'flu. Sadly, I think he's probably correct even though he has an interest in this; while a significant proportion of the world's population are unvaccinated there'll be a constant stream of new variants. Let's hope new, better, treatments are developed alongside better vaccines.

Michael Ixer ● 1291d

Michael, I have had all my jabs, flu as well. But we don't really know about the jabs. Will be be asked to have a 4th jab for the new strain of the virus. Who knows.

Barbara Stevens ● 1291d

Barbara. I don't think it's every been said that there are no side effects. Vaccines force the immune system to generate protection against (in this instance a Sars type) virus so there may be some symptoms  while the immune system reacts. However, these are normally temporary, fairly minor and have no serious lasting effects. There have been a very small number of fatal reactions arising from blood clots after AZ vaccinations but the risk of blood clotting and death appears to be far, far greater from the Covid virus itself. Yes, there is a need for continuous research, monitoring and reporting of anomalies as with other vaccines (flu, smallpox, tetanus, etc) and I heard that this has identified the likely cause of the AZ clots which, hopefully, they should be able to rectify now. Nothing's zero risk; we all cross the road knowing we might get run over but we can minimise that risk by using a controlled crossing. Looking at the relative risks I'll go with the vaccine rather than risk infection from the virus, particularly if I can continue leading my life close to normal: going tpo the theatre and concerts, socialising with friends, meeting ex-colleagues, attending business and astronomy conferences and seminars, and travelling ...it would be sad to not do that and then get run over by the proverbial bus ... or more likely a pizza delivery scooter in Putney! Still, you've got to make your own decision.

Michael Ixer ● 1291d

Sorry Mr. Ixer but I think, you will find, I put on here before. My cousin is in a Home in Berkhampsted, when they all were given the 3rd dose, different to the original first 2, it made them all very ill in the home. This was not just the old ones in the home but also the carers looking after them. So this vaccine in most cases is OK, but is it. I wake with a dull head pain every morning and a very dry mouth. Not from alcohol the night before, to save stupid comments. So has it really been looked into.

Barbara Stevens ● 1291d

Yes, I've noticed. Certain posters can't accept, or sensibly debate, evidence that goes against their cause.

Michael Brown ● 1291d

As Mr Winstanley noted elsewhere, we're getting into a serious case of Brandolini's Law .... 

Michael Ixer ● 1291d

The data provided by Pfizer for their own 2020 clinical trials, which involved 44,000 participants, showed that, whilst the vaccine showed some benefits in protection against covid, any benefits were counteracted by adverse reactions caused by the vaccine. In respect of death numbers from ALL causes, one more person died in the vaccine group (where heart attacks were prevalent) than in the placebo group; so Pfizer, nor anyone else, has proven that their vaccine saves more lives than it costs, yet forced vaccination is being threatened upon populations around the world; and we don’t even know about any possible medium or long term side effects yet. Then we have the AstraZeneca blood clotting jab, which seems to be out of vogue at present.Despite all of the available evidence, world governments and the mainstream media publicise and push one narrative only – a narrative that gives them increasing controls over populations, which is now set to extend to controls over bodily autonomy.

Michael Brown ● 1291d

Correction: the vaccination programme began December 2020, starting with those in their 90s.

Michael Ixer ● 1291d

Michael Brown, it's very sad about your father. I don't think the vaccination programme really got underway until February 2021 so he just missed that? Hospitals were struggling because of the number of Covid patients combined with the normal winter peak, and they probably still had PPE shortages. I had two friends admited to hospital with non Covid related emergencies in different parts of England during the pandemic in 2020 who caught Covid while in hospital. One survived but his treatment for a chronic condition was interrupted and his health has deteriorated, the other was recovering well from an operation to insert a stent but caught Covid and sadly died as his immune system probably was weakened by his heart attack and the operation. I'm comfortable that the statistics indicate that vaccinations reduce othe number and seriousness of cases, and, consequently, reduces the pressure on the NHS and deaths both from Covid, and other illnesses that can now have more resources applied to them because of that.

Michael Ixer ● 1292d

I heard someone who travelled on one of those flights from South Africa on the radio complaining that so many of the passengers were not wearing masks - or rather were wearing their masks underneath their chins - while spending 11 hours in the plane.

Philippa Bond ● 1292d

In this country alone there are tens of thousands of people who have been spared your father's fate as a result of the Covid vaccines.

Michael Winstanley ● 1292d

My views haven't changed about any aspect of the scam.

Michael Brown ● 1292d

Yes that's more or less right, the vaccines for Covid-19 first became available in the UK in late 2020 - just over 6 months after you began to post negative (and sometimes quite ridiculous) comments on this forum about them, discouraging people from getting them.

Michael Winstanley ● 1292d

He was admitted to hospital on 17th December 2020 and died on 10th January 2021 and never got offered a vaccine. I think the vaccines started coming in around that time.

Michael Brown ● 1292d

That's a great shame. Pneumonia is one of the commonest complications in severe Covid cases. Had your father been vaccinated? The vast majority of people who have been vaccinated suffer neither death nor serious illness as a result of infection with Covid-19.

Michael Winstanley ● 1292d

Thanks, Barbara. Maybe they did wipe the bed down and change the sheets – I don’t know. My sister said that the hospital had told her that they were launching an internal investigation, and asked if we wanted to see the report when complete. I said that I didn’t wish to see any report – the reason being that I accept that everyone makes mistakes, my father was already dead, and I didn’t want to put undue pressure on the hospital. Like you, my sister found it all very strange; in fact, she was very suspicious of the whole thing whereas I was more accepting.

Michael Brown ● 1292d

Michael, I don't in any way dispute what you have said about your father. Extremely Sad to hear. But very strange that the Hospital, even though they are really busy, why hadn't they wiped down the bed and the chair by the bed and changed the sheets. I find this rather strange. They usually pull all the sheets off when a patient goes home, ready for the next one. Also you hear a lot of old people who just happen to fall out of bed in hospital who are old. Any way very sorry for your loss.

Barbara Stevens ● 1292d

My father died earlier this year – of Covid-19, apparently. He had a fall at home and was admitted to hospital where he was being treated for a fractured pelvis. One week into his stay, my sister received a phone call from the hospital, where they informed her of a mistake they’d made. They said that they’d moved him to another ward but put him in the wrong bed - the bed of a Covid patient, and that they were testing him for Covid. The next day, they phoned again to say that he had tested positive for Covid, and was being treated accordingly. He lived for another 2.5 weeks. Days before his death, the hospital said that he was no longer testing positive for Covid, but was being treated for Pneumonia. There was an Inquest into his death, and the primary cause, unsurprisingly, was Covid-19. The death certificate also states a conclusion of Accidental Death, although I’m not sure in what context.Weeks later, I was discussing the above with a friend outside his home when the tall wooden back gate of an adjacent garden opened, and out walked a black woman. She said that she had overheard our conversation, and wanted to tell us that her husband had been admitted to the same hospital for a non-Covid related issue and received a similar phone call from the hospital – he’d been put into the bed of a Covid patient by mistake and was being tested for Covid; the only difference being that she went to the hospital immediately and brought him home where he died of Covid 3 weeks later. She said that she fears for everyone but believed that my friend and I (both white) are far safer than her and her family are as black Americans.

Michael Brown ● 1293d

Mine died from complications from side effects of arthritis drugs. I hope Old Brown Mike doesn’t make a scene about it.

Freddie Francis ● 1293d

uh-oh, I had a sandwich earlier :(bye, everyone

Matt Palmer ● 1293d

BrownMy dad had a sandwich b4 he died, do you think we should ban bread?

Andy Pike ● 1293d

Christopher Chope is the pillock who wanted to defend a man's ancient right to take photos up women's skirts a few months back. He should have retired years ago. He is well past his sell buy date and says nothing worth hearing, even when it is taken properly in context.

Michael Winstanley ● 1293d

Thank you for posting the speech by the MP Sir Christopher Chope Michael.It is much appreciated.There doesn't seem to be any sympathy on this forum towards the BBC girl that died of vaccine complications. Very sad state of affairs.

Colin Redmond ● 1293d

by Dr. Astrid StuckelbergerOr:https://www.bitchute.com/video/AE79iZZbl9DL/

Michael Brown ● 1293d

Cherrypick all you like. Mick’s posts are guaranteed biased bo******s. I’m sure I could dredge up more conflicting opinions if could actually give a toss.

Freddie Francis ● 1293d

Also... can we really rely on Fullfact!https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/faux-facts-disturbing-truth-about-fullfactorg

David Nugent ● 1293d

Francis Fred – I’m well aware of how it all works: Anyone who dies within 28 days of an alleged positive covid test, died of covid, with the death figures broadcast on all mainstream media channels 24/7/365.Those who die within a few days, or hours, of a covid vaccine, normally of a stroke or heart attack, from vaccines that are known to cause heart inflammation and blood clots, died of non-vaccine related causes, and none of the deaths are reported by the mainstream media on any day of the year. Why on Earth would anyone with a brain be suspicious?

Michael Brown ● 1293d

We can all do cut and paste links Micky boy xxxxhttps://fullfact.org/health/christopher-chope-vaccine-damage-bill/

Freddie Francis ● 1293d

Michael Brown ● 1293d

Tosh and nonsense - you are an annoying liar Raj/Michael.

Michael Winstanley ● 1294d

@mickybrown just do us all a favour and bu**er off.

Freddie Francis ● 1294d

Evidence, Me Brown  EVIDENCE. And not some stupid video. PROPER PEER REVIEWED MEDICAL EVIDENCE of death rates and injuries caused by vaccines.  Thank you. :-)

Michael Ixer ● 1294d

So it's UNKNOWN whether existing vaccines will provide any protection, yet the advice is for everyone to get a booster urgently despite the KNOWN risks of the vaccines, which have brought death and injury to many. All you need to know really.

Michael Brown ● 1294d

Seems the Dutch are not that good. All passengers from the two planes were transferred together and after test results the 500 plus that were not infected were bussed with the infected to airport buildings b4 the infected ones were taken for isolation. So expect more cases to come from that group.

Andy Pike ● 1295d

Indeed. I did say I had used some restraint. I would probably be kicked off the forum if I really let rip.

Freddie Francis ● 1295d

Jester is far too kind. Malignant sociopath more like.

Michael Winstanley ● 1295d

That’s was aimed at our local jester, Mick, so as not to confuse.

Freddie Francis ● 1295d

Andy. Yes, I realise that they are Holland's "problem", as the cases identified in Nottingham and Essex are the UK's. It's not really surprising that new variants were coming from places such as southern Africa where aid has been cut and some vaccine companies insist on asserting IP rights so they have insufficient vaccines in some parts - probably a great environment for incubating new evolving variants? (Still, a lesson for creationists?) It was only a matter of time that a new significantly different  variant came from somewhere. Although, as Matt pointed oiut, the Netherlands seem to be dealing with it more robustly by quarantining those testing positively immediately, whereas we've not quarantining new arrivals until after the weekend if I understand correctly?I was just zamused that Sue was criticising the government and, by inference, it's leader, Johnson, when some of us were saying before the 2019 election he wasn't fit for the position :-) That picture came from a Tory supporting Facebook friend who is as great supporter of freedom and skeptical about vaccinbes, masdks, restrictions of movement, etc ...

Michael Ixer ● 1295d

But these flights landed in Holland.  I know you don't like Borus but Hollands cock up ( if it is) is hardly his fault

Andy Pike ● 1295d

You’re talent for being the first prize clown here knows no bounds. However, some sort of medical intervention is clearly in order. Psychological, primarily. Then perhaps criminal intervention for spreading dangerous misinformation under the guise of the most stupid opinionated claptrap everseen on this forum.Some restraint was employed in the phrasing of the above.

Freddie Francis ● 1295d

Sue with a "leader" like Johnson wheat do you expect? Still it's not a surprise, some of us pointed it out two years ago ...

Michael Ixer ● 1295d

Obviously medical intervention has to be realistic and proportionate. What we're looking at with Covud and vaccinations, mask wearing, distancing, etc is mitigating the risks of transmission and the virus's effects, mainly to stop the health service collapsing under the strain of too many serious case. I don't thing it was "experts" who spoke about the elimination of Covid (there might be some but many have said we have to learn to live with it); I think that's been mainly politicians - didn't Johnson use the term "freedom day"? Just think how many decades it's taken to (almost?) eliminate smallpox? We've not eliminated the common cold or flu, so one would imagine we'll have to manage Covid in a similar way?

Michael Ixer ● 1295d

The difference here is that in Holland the passengers from the last flights from SA were tested on arrival and quarantined if positive.In the UK they were allowed through the airport, advised to go home and isolate and of course some of them would have used public transport.It can't have been that hard to test on arrival surely??

Matt Palmer ● 1295d

Bit like Rishi is Irish.  I think they are trying to make us stupid.

Barbara Stevens ● 1295d

This situation rather reminds me of a sad episode where I was watching a dear friend die from Cancer. She was hardly able to move and obviously in much pain. Yet she insisted to her doctor that she had one final dose of of chemotherapy. The doctor shook his head sadly and told her that the chemotherapy had in fact probably hastened her terminal condition. Yet she still had blind faith in the treatment right up until her death. She had first class honours degrees and had written medical books, yet she was unable to see any other way out. I have reflected on this and ask why so many seem to have to villify and abuse those that try to point them politely towards other points of view. Sadly there are many who haven't learned the lessons from history and continue to believe in masks, lockdown and creeping totalitariansm. I would encourage non-abusive and more creative responses than we have had until now on this forum.

David Nugent ● 1295d

This forum isn't blessed with the sharpest pencils in the box, and many will already have had their moronic booster jab. It doesn't bode well.

Michael Brown ● 1295d

Omicron is an anagram of Moronic.Funny that isn't it?Delta is the main brain wave you have when you sleep.Wakee Wakee?

David Nugent ● 1295d

Forget about the intent - does the UK have the capability to take action??Scenes like this are ideal for spreading Covid but perhaps even more important is the management of large crowds in confined spaces.https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/16048652/heathrow-airport-chaos-babies-pregnant-queue/

Ed Robinson ● 1296d

Omicron – Pandemic of the VaccinatedOr:https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=M5SMXDNGG45NActual letter can be viewed at:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFI-TPoXEAEjVAJ?format=jpg&name=largeThe two people in Hong Kong and the one person in Italy so far claimed to have Covi-Omicron are also claimed to be vaccinated.

Michael Brown ● 1296d

After last orders?

Michael Winstanley ● 1296d

I think the 61 landed in Holland not ths UK and 19 of them were from SA. bloody Dutch prime minister late acting again !

Andy Pike ● 1296d

I do think folk are being a bit harsh on this one. The gov have been lambasted in some areas for acting too quickly in closing down. The new variant was only confirmed on thursday.Obviously depends what camp you are in as to what you criticise them for... too late or too soon.

Andy Pike ● 1296d

When will Mr Brown be along to tell us it's all a scam?

Matt Palmer ● 1296d

Scary 😟

Sue Hammond ● 1296d

I think we were pretty doomed anyway, the south African rugby team played at Twickenham last Sat....

Matt Palmer ● 1296d

Updated: Brentwood not Chelmsford.  They came in on a flight from SA so how many others have been infected?  And so it begins again ...

Sue Hammond ● 1296d

2 cases of the new variant have been identified in the UK. One in Chelmsford  and the other in Nottingham.  The people concerned are connected and are self isolating.

Sue Hammond ● 1296d

"Over and over this Govt make the same bloody mistakes! Always too late to do the obvious." Sue I agree with you there!"They are constantly telling us to do all the right things to limit the spread of the virus and then fail to take action..."I don't agree with you on the bit above.  They should all have been wearing masks in Parliament (I think some may now have been embarrassed into it but- JR-M's comment about them being friends or colleagues or whatever was quite pathetic.)  They should have been setting the example.

Philippa Bond ● 1296d

Hi Adam.  Over and over this Govt make the same bloody mistakes! Always too late to do the obvious. They are constantly telling us to do all the right things to limit the spread of the virus and then fail to take action to prevent the virus from entering the country from abroad.  I despair.😦

Sue Hammond ● 1296d

morning Sue, have a look at the flight arrivals at Heathrow from Southern Africa, when will this government ever learn!

Adam Tripp ● 1296d