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booster vaccinations

HalloJust to let you know, I had a 5.00 p.m. booked appointment but had to wait a while to go in to give my details.  Then had to wait outside in a long queue for 30 or so minutes before I could go in to give even more details and listen to the possible after-effects.  Finally got my "jab" after maybe an hour and a half!!!!Nurses were doing their best, but total lack of organization!!Be warmed, and wrap up warmly if you need to go to Queen Mary's for your jab.

Carole Tanner ● 1565d26 Comments

MikeI didn't mean to ignore your response, just got distracted. The figures are interesting. I'd expect the balance of cases to shift from unvaccinated to vaccinated as more and more people are vaccinated and fewer are unvaccinated, but I agree the ratios are puzzling; I've not had time to think further! Yes, need to watch the future trends. I see the key metric is Table 3, if that goes in the wrong direction and it looks like hospitals might be inundated with new cases we'd probably be looking at another lockdown? :-) 

Michael Ixer ● 1548d

There have been complaints from Govt that not enough people are taking up their boosters.  I'm wondering if that is because they didn't decide who was going to do the contacting.

Philippa Bond ● 1548d

Hi MichaelTake your point that there needs to be some interpretation/ deeper understanding of how the figures have been compiled but on the surface it does show rates of infection per 100,000 in each age range for people who are double vaxed and people who are un-vaxedSo if we look at my age range 50-59 (I know I’m shocked I’m this old also!) is shows:-Cases/ 100,000 of double vaxed 1075Cases per 100,000 of un vaxed  528Thus the double vaxed in this sample at this age range are over twice as likely to be infected as the in-vaxed.  In absolute terms the numbers of unvaxed are low but you can back calculate from the ratios and the numbers of infected if curious.  Still large enough numbers to have some statistical significance I would think.This appears the case for all age ranges between 30 and 80.  As I say this effect is shown in the last several publications but has become more pronounced on a cursory review.  I’ll be interested to see what happens next publicationAs you say table 3 (hospitalisation) and table 4 (deaths) show a significant benefit to the double vaxed, although this has slightly declined over the past few samples also but massively positive as we would expect.I’m not clear how they will incorporate the 3rd jab data which will start to be relevant for the 60+ at least in the next publication.  Maybe the 80+ already had an effect here.The observation I would make (or with at was made to me) is not that the immunity wanes over time (we expect to see this) but that in all age ranges over 30 based on this data and that for the previous two intervals it appears to turn negative, thus we see evidence of greater levels of infection several months after being double jabbed than in people who are not jabbed at all; not the same, not slightly better, but on these statistics, materially worse.Strange! 

Mike Warman ● 1560d

Hi Mike W, interesting. Only had time to have a quick look. If I'm reading it correctly this table only shows the ratios of of vaccinated to unvaccinated for those with an infection, not the proportion of vaccinated to unvaccinated in each age group with and without infections? If those vaccinated approaches 100% in a group then those in the unvaccinated population approaches zero so cases would correspondingly dimish to zero. (I also note the table contains a warning about caution in interpretation because of varying denominators.)Of course, we don't knows the proportion of unvaccinated people avoiding contact with others which might influence cases, but we do know that unvaccinated people have some natural immunity; on p3 it says 98% of the adult population have Covid-19 antibodies of which 18.7% are from infection alone. Can we therefore make an assumption that nearly 20% of unvaccinated people now have natural immunity? Although it might be dangerous mixing our sample populations ... how representative of the vaccinated:unvaccinated ratio are blood donors, so how reliable are those figures if they were to be applied to table 2?I'm not saying that they're definite explanations, just that I think there are a number of missing data which makes it difficult to draw conclusions - happy to be corrected if I've missed something.I'm more struck by tables 3 and 4 - and the corresponding figures 2: b, c & d - which show stronger protection against serious disease or death for those who are vaccinated. If the aim is to protect hospitals from being overloaded then that seems to be working at the moment. It's also necessary to keep in mind that the vaccines' efficacy against infection are at most 85%, and efficacy reduces with age and time; perhaps a good case for other measures to reduce transmission? It's certainly why there's a rush to do the booster vaccines!

Michael Ixer ● 1560d

Hi MichaelI don’t think one can ever rule out incompetence and unintended consequences - I suspect these have had a larger role in human history than we would like to admit.As to cock up v conspiracy, well I wouldn’t want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but I do think the integrity of some major players in the global response is open to compromise now, and therefore the response by association.Regardless of how it started (lab leak or spontaneous jump) it would appear that various bodies will use the after effects to pursue their aims,  and vaccine passports for domestic use seems a massive over-reaction to many and therefore quite scary whilst others seem not too fussed.I suppose we will see how this goes.As a parting thought, as I know you have a bent towards analysis could I direct you to table 2 (page 13) on this recent release from PHE.  Quite interesting - curious to know your thoughts.  Note the previous two releases had similar yet smaller trends on this so it appears to be becoming larger (subject to sampling error etc)https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

Mike Warman ● 1561d

Hi MichaelI don’t think one can ever rule out incompetence and unintended consequences - I suspect these have had a larger role in human history than we would like to admit.As to cock up v conspiracy, well I wouldn’t want to go too far down the rabbit hole, but I do think the integrity of some major players in the global response is open to compromise now, and therefore the response by association.Regardless of how it started (lab leak or spontaneous jump) it would appear that various bodies will use the after effects to pursue their aims,  and vaccine passports for domestic use seems a massive over-reaction to many and therefore quite scary whilst others seem not too fussed.I suppose we will see how this goes.As a parting thought, as I know you have a bent towards analysis could I direct you to table 2 (page 13) on this recent release from PHE.  Quite interesting - curious to know your thoughts.  Note the previous two releases had similar yet smaller trends on this so it appears to be becoming larger (subject to sampling error etc)https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

Mike Warman ● 1561d

Mike W. Thanks very much for the links, very informative. Obviously further investigation needed (if that is ever allowed) but verifies my thoughts that "cock up" rather than "conspiracy" is a more realistic theory: "US agency - let's give that lab in Wuhan some cash to try some dodgy research on bats and corona viruses; the Chinese authorities don't have so much public freedom of information scrutiny because of being less democratic. Oops, sh!t, they've f*cked up and let something escape ... Ssh ..."  How much did Trump know when he tried to shift the blame on "the China virus'? Of course, it's all highly speculative. Still wise to get vaccinated, wear masks, distance from others in crowds, have good ventilation in doors ... and get tested regularly.Of course, it could still just be sloppy practices in live animal markets in Wuhan or elsewhere? BSE was a problem is the UK, US, etc because of bad animal husbandry processes ...

Michael Ixer ● 1561d

I thought we already had an inkling it was from Wuhan. A lady Scientist had been on the TV and was scared for her life after saying more than perhaps she should have.

Barbara Stevens ● 1561d

Michael, whilst not agreeing with the thrust of the above post, this point does indeed seem to be reported, see here in Vanity Fair and yahoo news https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-risky-virus-research-in-wuhanhttps://news.yahoo.com/nih-admits-funding-gain-function-125103852.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAEUeYHvsvZZlyHbv6NcT-EFuSSLhu_4THCk7vQKH7ur9hLesbp8duNC3vrBr922o1LQHI-2cFjdUnRTeBwvMvcb8Qu1cfWgjc4uR_J2Y0RNYc8oJzASSZoQ5iTkw9pgmZxf3XkAtjvw13zVCC9-hEOJCUhLLUNeVJoaSZwoI5m8yI can’t see that this is reported widely.The funding appears to be via eco health alliance, whose president, Peter Daszak, was on the WHO investigation team and whose presence and at the time undisclosed links caused this investigation to be shutdown due due to being compromised by him.https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2414There appears to be an amount of people trying to cover themselves over links to work on corona viruses, so I think good this is being investigated.  The obscuration as it is coming to light will only make it look more likely rather than less likely that this was potentially a lab leak

Mike Warman ● 1562d

Just in case anyone has missed it - you can now book your booster online:This will be at least 6 months after your 2nd dose of the vaccine if you're either:aged 50 and overaged 16 and over with a health condition that puts you at high risk from COVID-19You can also use this service if you're a frontline health and social care worker. You'll be able to book an appointment for a booster dose if it's been at least 6 months since your 2nd dose of the vaccine.https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/book-or-manage-a-booster-dose-of-the-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine/

Ed Robinson ● 1562d

Mr Brown, please provide references for the bat research you've mentioned.

Michael Ixer ● 1562d

It has its benefits I can see round two corners at once.I feel for you Matt could have done with this second head when I was younger.

Andy Pike ● 1562d

I'm under 50 so not entitled to a booster, so how do i get my second head???this is pure ageism.

Matt Palmer ● 1562d

Nnn mmm nnn. Nggggg ooohtrrjjjj h ad miiiine tooooood dddaaaay.  Aaaaggg.

Freddie Francis ● 1562d

Had my booster on thursdsy.Bloody nuisance now I havd to buy another pair of glasses for the second head ive grown .Bloody specsavers promoting the vaccination programme just to make money mot to mention the hat makers.

Andy Pike ● 1562d

Meanwhile, the USA's National Institute of Health has admitted that US-funded money was used for bat coronavirus gain-of-function research in a lab in Wuhan.Gain of function refers to a genetically altering of animal viruses to make them more transmissible in humans.Top US criminal, Dr. Fauci, has denied this claim all along whilst promoting lockdowns, masks, dangerous vaccines and vaccine passports to impose as much evil on the population as desired by the cult he represents.

Michael Brown ● 1562d

Incorrect!The vaccines do protect us from COVID.  But the vaccines are so new, just as teenagers in the wide world, that their "life span" is not too long.  Are you a teenager still?Give it three years and things will improve.For now, applaud what the scientist have managed to achieve thus far.  I am really sure that the polio vaccine was not perfect to start with but, my goodness, have they not progressed!

Ivonne Holliday ● 1562d

Many people are asking why the vaccines and boosters are being pushed so heavily by the government when they don’t work.Answer: The injection programme has not been introduced to protect against covi-bio… even if it does protect against covi-bio, which it doesn’t. Simple.

Michael Brown ● 1562d

Oh, Michael Brown, please please give it a break!

Ivonne Holliday ● 1562d

The whole ‘vaccination’ programme has been introduced by the ruling elite to enable the genetic re-programming of the human race, and it’s no secret if you look in the right places. Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, has talked about Transhumanism, which is a similar thing and goes some way to explain their plans for humanity. Fellow Satanist, Bill Gates, calls the spread of the bio-weapon ‘Pandemic 1’, and says that we’ve entered the era of the pandemic. They couldn’t make their plans more obvious. DNA editing will only be carried out on those of us left though, as depopulation will also play a big part in the ‘vaccination’ programme. We’re still at the early stages but things are moving quickly. The British government is still trying to get as many people aboard the injection programme voluntarily before introducing blackmailing ‘vaccine’ passports to deal with those who refuse the ‘treatment’. Once the plan is in place, there will be no end to injections – survivors will be updated like a Windows programme, and those who refuse an update will see their passport to life immediately expire. Starmer is in on the plot hence there is no opposition. No surprise either that Hilary Clinton was pushing the agenda on the Marr show this morning; and don’t rely on local ‘journalists’ Vine and O’Brien.

Michael Brown ● 1562d

Yes, my third Pfizer jab, Barbara. 

Michael Ixer ● 1565d

Michael, did you have Pfizer, as it appears they are not doing  the Aztra Zenica.

Barbara Stevens ● 1565d

Just to clarify,  that was at QMH

Michael Ixer ● 1565d

Interesting. I had a midday appointment today. I waited 5 or 10 minutes outside (I was about 10 minutes early), then I was processed, jabbed and out in another 30 minutes, including the 15 minutes to check no immediate effects. It seemed to be going quite well, although I was asked my name and date of birth about four times!

Michael Ixer ● 1565d

Had mine today at st George's similar take butvqueues were inside at Atkinson Morley.Bit of a wait  yes but so much better than the possible alternative.

Andy Pike ● 1565d

Hallo, again, sorry "warmed" should have read "warned"  Cold and wanting my dinner!!!

Carole Tanner ● 1565d