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XR Vandalism

I see Extinction Rebellion are st it again and are targeting our Council by Vandalising Buildings in Putney by Flyposting  all over the Place.This is a Criminal Act & the Police must come down Hard onthese Idiots!  We recycle & do all we reasonably can to help the Environment!

Vic Condon ● 2042d63 Comments

Maybe you do Vic but the council certainly isn't.I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the council to1) reduce air pollution2) protect our green spaces3) set up a food waste trial4) divest from fossil fuel investments

Matt Palmer ● 2042d

Trouble is they don't understand clear up. Get the  Police to lock them up.

Barbara Stevens ● 2042d

Arrest the flyposters! It's all we reasonably can do to help the Environment!

David Ainsworth ● 2042d

Don't forget the billboards. Apparently they took a lot of effort! I gather the people that did them were quite proud.

Matt Palmer ● 2042d

Ahah! Bill Stickers will be prosecuted!

David Ainsworth ● 2042d

Incidentally, regarding this"“Our efforts have been applauded by Kevin Frea, managing director of Climate Emergency UK which has developed a database of what councils are doing to tackle climate change. Quoted in the Local Government Chronicle he said that unlike many councils which had done little or nothing to take concrete steps to achieve carbon reductions, 'Wandsworth for example are doing a lot.'"I emailed Kevin Free last night to ask why he thought that. This was his response to the 'quote' attributed to him."Oh dear, I need to check what journalists actually write as a result of interviewing me in future."

Matt Palmer ● 2042d

Bill Stickers is innocent!

Philippa Bond ● 2042d

But Bill poster's aren't.

Barbara Stevens ● 2041d

"Bill Stickers is innocent!"I saw Bill Stickers this morning. He is holding up well considering. He confirms he wasn't framed but feels stuck in his situation. He doesn't blame XR for leaving him hung out to dry and hopes he may act as a warning to others. He did say he would have probably slipped off earlier if he adhered to natural substainable products!

Ed Robinson ● 2041d

They would save a few more tree's that they keep banging on about if they didn't waste so much paper.

Barbara Stevens ● 2041d

Hi Matt,Instead of graffiti, blockading roads and school runs etc why not do something more personnal:Why not refuse to pay Council Tax, Income tax, road licence etc, thus rendering you personally liable to prosescution for your cause...or that a bit too scary?...you'd sooner take to the streets hiding behind other mass unidentifiables.Be a man of your convictions. Stand up for your two sons right to breath fresh air. Don't misunderstand, I applaude the sentiments but not the cowardly means.Regards to Clair and boys.

Simon Knight ● 2041d

Hi Simon, Funny you should mention that, 'money rebellion' started on the 1st of April and there are indeed a whole bunch of people withholding some or all of their taxes. I'm not personally taking part though.As for "you'd sooner take to the streets hiding behind other mass unidentifiables" - well that is the nature of a protest isnt it? You take to the street with 1,000's of other people? Perhaps you've forgotten that in the UK we (currently) have the right to protest?One son, one daughter btw :)Hope all well with you!

Matt Palmer ● 2041d

Stand corrected re Palmer offspring (sorry) !Matt: Stand up and be counted! Join "money rebellion"...or you just a champange XR ?

Simon Knight ● 2041d

As you "applaud the sentiments", perhaps you should join "money rebellion" too, Mr Knight!

David Ainsworth ● 2041d

Every topic you have an opinion!

Simon Knight ● 2041d

Very true. But you should see the stuff that I cancel before sending.

David Ainsworth ● 2041d

Everyone has a limit I guess Simon. Some people are up for withholding taxes but I'm not sure I see the point.There's no expectation within XR about arrest, prison etc. Some people are more up for it than others. I've done a few things I was certain i'd be arrested for but that doesn't mean I welcome it, I just accept it's inevitability.

Matt Palmer ● 2041d

Did notice when going past the Spencer Pub yesterday, the 22 bus stop had been broken. No seating outside on the common or around the Pub. So could have been kids.

Barbara Stevens ● 2040d

And this has what, exactly, relevance to a thread on XR?

Richard Carter ● 2040d

Well Mr. Carter I wasn't replying to you. Vic had actually put on What's App about he had heard their might have been a fire and a bus set alight by the Spencer.  So there. Anyway Mr. Carter, try saving a tree instead of putting stupid bits of paper everywhere nobody reads.

Barbara Stevens ● 2040d

It's rather hard to see what the fuss is about : some tastefully-designed posters neatly pasted up. Rather a contrast with the mess made by the supposed clean-up merchants... 

Richard Carter ● 2038d

It's hard to see what Vic is making such a fuss about. Some tastefully-designed posters on a very serious subject,  neatly placed. Rather a contrast with the mess left by the supposed clean-up merchants...

Richard Carter ● 2038d

It's hard to see what Vic is making such a fuss about. Some tastefully-designed posters on a very serious subject,  neatly placed. Rather a contrast with the mess left by the supposed clean-up merchants...

Richard Carter ● 2038d

Barbara: No there was no fire or bus set alight at The Spencer. I don't think Richard is XR so not responsible for the 'stupid bits of paper'. Spencer benches very busy yesterday inspite of the cold.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2038d

Thank you, Caroline: Barbara Stevens has a shaky (ie, nonexistent) grasp on reality.  Incidentally, I tried to post a comment pointing out the difference between the elegant, neat posters that XR put up and the horrible mess left on Quill Bridge by the supposed cleanup merchants, with supporting photos, but the system put up instead several blank pages. Time they sorted out the software, I think.

Richard Carter ● 2038d

I'll try again:

Richard Carter ● 2038d

I'll try again:

Richard Carter ● 2038d

Richard are you sending subliminal messages?Or is it just me that can not see them?

Ed Robinson ● 2037d

Ha ha ha!!Please, do not say it too loudly, but somehow I thought he was speechless for a minute!!Sorry Richard, could not help it!!!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2037d

I'm guessing they're large images that the old interface can't display and which the new interface can't cope with as it won't load any comments - or at least it won't on my Android devices, unless it's just very, very slow ...

Michael Ixer ● 2037d

I explained this already: see my post of 18:10:00.

Richard Carter ● 2037d

Some pathetic anti environmental responses on this thread from the typical boomers of Putney. Sorry that our generation is having to sort out the mess you will leave us when you die.

Simon Sharp ● 2037d

Sunday the benches had not been put out by the Spencer, but the bus stop glass had been smashed.

Barbara Stevens ● 2037d

Sorry, missed that one, Richard, as the new interface seems to be broken by the blank posts which were the only ones I looked at on the old one. Yes, the software could do with some attention but I think, as has been discussed before, they don't seem to have the funds to do that 😟

Michael Ixer ● 2037d

Why don't Wandsworth advertise there what they are actually doing?  What about their picture of all the things that need addressing which they have on their website?What is happening on Solar Together?  Will the Climate change blog follow some of the people who have signed up and are taking action?Which schools and other public buildings have reduced their use of fossil fuels by installing solar panels and increasing insulation etc.  Will the Council be teaching the children what is happening - and perhaps even the older more sceptical (to put it politely) generation may learn something about the action needed and being taken.Even an in your face constant reminder that Wandsworth have declared a Climate Emergency...  as they did in July 2019... would help!

Philippa Bond ● 2037d

WBC have announced that rather than going carbon neutral by 2030 as a borough they will in fact just be doing it themselves as an organisation.This accounts for 3% of the carbon of the borough, so if you're looking for some evidence of them treating this as an emergency i'm afraid you're in for a long wait.And that's why they aren't advertising what they are doing.

Matt Palmer ● 2037d

One of their eco-warriors Alison Plaumer has said in the press today that giving school kids too much dairy is 'racist' as many BAME kids are lactose intolerant.No wonder no-one takes these jokers seriously!

Colin Redmond ● 2037d

One doesn't see much dairy in Malaysian, Chinese or Japanese food? I think northern Europeans have developed to be more lactose tolerant but I don't think it's that straightforward or necessarily a binary state. I suppose BAME is not a very provide term?Might do better to focus on the health and environmental benefits of plant based diets rather than open up a more controversial argument?

Michael Ixer ● 2036d

And i'll remind everyone that this thread ought to be about the councils failings that prompted XR to flypost, change billboards and protest outside the council offices.

Matt Palmer ● 2036d

"And i'll remind everyone that this thread ought to be about t..."Perhaps there is a bit of thread rebellion going on :-)

Ed Robinson ● 2036d

LOL, fair point Ed!

Matt Palmer ● 2036d

I think that one should always be mindful of Ms Hammond's recent diktat:-"My objection was about both of them hijacking a thread about the passing of someone of immense importance for their own self indulgent agendas.David does it all the time, he MUST post something/anything in any thread in order to take it off topic."Befehl ist Befehl.

David Ainsworth ● 2036d

David, Sue hasn't put anything on this thread. Don't answer a thread just for the sake of it. Otherwise, everybody else starts posting on nothing to do with it.

Barbara Stevens ● 2036d

How about Wandsworth?We need to be more concerned about the amount of food waste that we and the shops are making as it has a cost to the environment as well as to us.

Philippa Bond ● 2036d

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-dairy-bad-or-goodYou don't have to get your calcium, Vit D and protein from dairy.  Surely we've now moved on from just offering any vegetarians a cheese omelette as the only alternative in a restaurant.  That wouldn't suit vegans anyway!

Philippa Bond ● 2036d

That's one of XR Wandsworths 4 demands.If you're interested in learning more about what Wandsworth council aren't doing then please consider join a special Zoom next Tuesday at 7:30pm. Sign-up link belowhttps://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/wake-up-wandsworth-council-time-to-act-on-the-climate-emergency-tickets-148950004473

Matt Palmer ● 2036d

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/apr/13/legumes-research-gets-flexitarian-pulses-racing-with-farming-guidance

Philippa Bond ● 2036d

Well I'm looking forward to lamb shanks with savoy cabbage fried with pancetta,a few honey glazed carrots, small amount of creamed mash potoatoes and a cheeky little glass or two of red.Enjoy your lentil stew :)

Simon Knight ● 2036d

Can I come over hahah! Got tuna nicoise tonight

Gabrielle OMahony ● 2036d

Actually nowt wrong with that either...as a starter.Much as I like tuna nicoise for me nicht mit der too many olives.

Simon Knight ● 2036d

Oh, I like that as well Gabrielle.

Barbara Stevens ● 2036d

Ha, Ha, I'll have what your having Simon, not red wine but White, red not good for inflammation, like arthritus.

Barbara Stevens ● 2036d

Yeah I know. I think all booze not good for arthritis but eh ho! :)

Simon Knight ● 2036d

I do love to see a thread going off topic.

David Ainsworth ● 2036d

insert facepalm emoji.

Matt Palmer ● 2036d

Was it ever on topic - one might consider highlighting Wandsworth Council's "green washing" is public information not vandalism? The offence of fly posting is incidental, perhaps even justifiable, in the circumstances?

Michael Ixer ● 2036d

If you want a good laugh just watch this presentation from WBC to a group that monitors progress on climate change issues. You'll see that the 'highlights' of the councils actions last year were 'getting some kids interested in gardening' and 'running a dragons den style thing in schools where kids suggested solutions'.The video should start at 13:17 but if not just jump to that bit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2__mr0ZXgc&t=797sFrankly the lack of action is embarrassing.

Matt Palmer ● 2036d

The Council should do something about their properties, some that have been shown on TV are disgusting allowing people to pay rent for properties with damp mold and leaking ceilings. Also little children breathing all the mold, must be worse than fumes from cars. If they are unable to use all the rooms they should get a reduction in rent till it's sorted out. Or move them. It seems a lot of properties are in disrepair.

Barbara Stevens ● 2036d

Lamb shanks tend to be enormous or have been when I've cooked them in red wine. I remember lunch being ready at teatime! We now much prefer to eat many more vegetables and just a little meat every so often.  It is interesting how what you describe - the lump of meat, potatoes and a couple of other veg was so traditionally British but we have now embraced food from other countries - and so many of them are far more vegetable and legume orientated than just meat and fish.You need to read how much better growing legumes (the beans that can be dried) is for the soil.  It is not just about what we fancy eating.

Philippa Bond ● 2034d

To me eating is all about what one fancies. Obviously it would be wise to adhere to a varied diet along with the 5 a day regime. 2 ltrs water a day is also good (why is it 2 ltrs of beer easy peasy but 2 ltrs water such an effort?)As The Bard said: Meat is made for mouths.And as Fagin said: Shut up and drink yer gin. (Oliver).

Simon Knight ● 2034d

LOL.  No such luck! Gave up alcohol at lockdown and haven't gone back. If you eat hydrating foods that aren't salty and you aren't in the heat I don't think the 2 litres is AS critical.  (There are a lot of conflicting opinions.)  I don't think you've realised just how flexible flexitarianism can be!  :)Barbara raises a really really serious question though on how people's accommodation situation can be improved.  I think lack of amenity space and how washing is able to be done and dried is often a lot of the problem.

Philippa Bond ● 2034d

It's interesting that at corporate functions the carnivores with a lump of dead animal surrounded by a couple of spuds and veg have looked enviously at the more interesting and imaginative meals served to the one or two veggies. It did occur to me that while the meat eaters get the standard cut price deal for mass catering the veggies might sometimes get given something off the à !a carte menu rather than something specially concocted? (I'm referring to upmarket establishments with private dining rooms for business/industry round table discussions not venues office parties.)

Michael Ixer ● 2034d

We certainly always thought that going to a French restaurant was something special and you'll find lentils and beans (pulses) feature on their menus and often but not always accompanying meat, the same with Italian restaurants.  How come it is so much more unusual with UK food?  Ham and beans is an old recipe.  We eat enough canned baked beans - so why not more other ones?  They can be added and are often used to eke out the expensive meat. Cottage pie with remains of yesterday's baked beans mixed in was so good that I'd open a can specially and still add lots more veg with it.  Re restaurant or office meals etc:  I like to eat things that I won't be cooking at home because they are a lot of hard work to do or to get right. Starters are far better than the main courses!

Philippa Bond ● 2033d