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Vaccine - the rest

Seems Putney have got through the 9 categories as have just had a text to book my vaccine slot (30 yr old with no health issues). Friday am it is!

Gabrielle OMahony ● 1897d39 Comments

“In both events, though, enormous and costly mistakes will certainly have been made.“I can certainly agree with you there!  Always the case I think.

Mike Warman ● 1892d

I was responding in particular to this point on vaccination, rather than the whole band of measures adopted:-""Why would you want to?"to vaccinate or un-vaccinate?Covid does have a survival rate of 99.7%"BBC 2016:-"Blackout blinds were commonplace and shining a light at night was a serious but commonplace offence."It was terribly easy to break blackout," Ms Gardiner said."Some people just forgot; for example you might remember to pull the curtains down at the front of the house but not the back."They usually got a fine - it could be quite a hefty one.""To compare the Second World War and its effects on the UK, with Covid and its effects on the UK, would be another level of task entirely. As in, beyond me, chum. In both events, though, enormous and costly mistakes will certainly have been made.

David Ainsworth ● 1892d

Google "Boris World War covid"tinyurl.com/alramt3mPoor it may be, but in jolly good company.

David Ainsworth ● 1892d

"David, get better soon" Sorry Barbara, but this is about as good as I get these days. Mostly downhill from here."are the statistics for just London, or all of England."The stats are for the whole of the UK. (I already tripped up over what I was comparing when I first started doing the sums).

David Ainsworth ● 1892d

Indeed, and comparing the very temporary inconvenience of closing curtains and turning off lights for a few hours to closing down swathes of the economy, causing many businesses to fail, millions to effectively lose their jobs (we’ve yet to see the full impact of course) and restricting people’s liberties for over a year seems disingenuous in the least.Not sure on the point being made here?

Mike Warman ● 1892d

it's pretty poor rhetoric to compare WW2 with Covid. (spanish flu and covid yes: 2% vs 0.3%)

Gregory Edelston ● 1892d

David, get better soon, are the statistics for just London, or all of England.

Barbara Stevens ● 1892d

Apparently the chance of a civilian dying in the Blitz, 1940-41, was about 1 in 1000. Would it be worth going to the bother of turning your lights off and closing the black-out curtains, when the alert sounded?(Covid deaths currently are about 1 in 566).Please be aware that my statistical calculations, like my stepladders, can go sideways, as a result of basic errors.

David Ainsworth ● 1892d

and why is there no public policy to tackle obesity in this country? the biggest factors causing death and severe illness is obesity and old age. cant stop the clock (yet) but we can stop people stuffing their faces and watching netflix all day on furlough. it's funny how people let themselves get fat as a house and then suddenly care about their health. hypocrites.

Gregory Edelston ● 1892d

I read recently that the ambulance service were not getting vaccinated and I believe that some of these people have not been offered the vaccine or given the opportunity to have it.  We did go into this pandemic with a shortfall of thousands of people in the health service and it could be difficult to both carry out work duties and get to a vaccine appointment.  We have also heard of some centres who have spare capacity and it would be good if that could be sorted out so that those volunteers giving up their time could be actually giving vaccinations.

Philippa Bond ● 1892d

The virus appears to be highly transmissible with an exponentially increasing rate of infections if not controlled - hence the current and previous lockdowns. Initial research seems to indicate that immunity following infection only lasts a matter of months so without assisted immunity (that is, vaccination) then reinfection in highly likely for a significant part of the population. A death rate of 0.3% doesn't sound high but on a large candidate population that can be reinfected it can quickly become a large number - and that's before looking at the higher death rates for increasing age and health vulnerabilities.We are developing better treatments but at present without measures to reduce infections that has the effect of blocking more hospital and ICU beds (because people live rather than die quickly!) thus reducing the capability to deal with other serious ailments: heart attacks, strokes, cancers, etc.It's true one can't be unvaccinated but at present there's no evidence of any adverse affects whereas Covid definitely kills a number of cases - and one can't be "unskilled"!I would guess the fewer people vaccinated the longer lockdowns, social distancing and mask wearing will last. It also looks like vaccination passports could well be required for foreign travel (I heard Greece is considering them), and some employers may also require vaccination.Still, it's a free country, so people are free to make their own decision. I've decided vaccination is a lower risk than Covid.

Michael Ixer ● 1892d

I'm vaccinated and delighted.Hopefully those with vaccination nerves will get done as soon as they can.Care home staff have been calling for better PPE all year yet 30% have not had the jab.. .the best ppe on offer.If you dont want the jab fair enough.

Andy Pike ● 1893d

"Why would you want to?"to vaccinate or un-vaccinate?Covid does have a survival rate of 99.7% And as for the armageddon sounding long covid:- "Overall, the team found that while most people with COVID-19 reported being back to normal in 11 days or less, around one in seven (13.3%, 558 users) had symptoms lasting for at least 4 weeks, with around one in 20 (4.5%, 189 users) staying ill for 8 weeks and one in fifty (2.3%, 95 users) suffering for longer than 12 weeks."https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/long-covid#:~:text=Overall%2C%20the%20team%20found%20that,suffering%20for%20longer%20than%2012just saying ...

Gregory Edelston ● 1893d

Why would you want to?

Andy Pike ● 1893d

and of course you can not un-vaccinate

Gregory Edelston ● 1893d

The AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine is a chimpanzee adenovirus-vectored vaccine. Forbs November 23rd, 2020

Gregory Edelston ● 1893d

“The technology has never been used in a vaccine before.” FT November 20th, 2020 in reference to mRNA.

Gregory Edelston ● 1893d

Dear Gabrielle, I am sorry to have had a go at you going to jump the queue. Please accept my apology. May your underlying health conditions remain exactly that in your future life.

Paul Rolink ● 1894d

Well if true, I hope tht this sort of thing will get sorted out pdq.I know a busy keyworker who had the flu injection appointent this year cancelled three times.  That makes it harder to work and fit it in to timetable.https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/16/why-some-junior-doctors-havent-had-a-covid-vaccine

Philippa Bond ● 1895d

Rather cooperative than competitive.

David Ainsworth ● 1896d

Thank you Gabrielle for updating us and wishing you good health.The more people that get vaccinated the more everyone is protected.People should stop thinking deli-counter queue and think more penguins in a circular huddle - preferably with a Happy Feet soundtrack :)

Ed Robinson ● 1896d

Just to let you know we passed down Oxford Rd, to go to Sainsbury's about 2 hours ago and there looked like all different age groups waiting outside, unless they were waiting for a friend.

Barbara Stevens ● 1897d

To all: I just rang my surgery to find out a bit more. Turns out I'm classed in group 6 'underlying health condition' not that I'd have ever thought that & apparently my condition doesn't impact the severity of CoVid but just want to put people's mind at rest.

Gabrielle OMahony ● 1897d

The main thing is that if there's vaccine that isn't or can't be used by the prevailing priority groups then those being offered it should take advantage so as not to waste any vaccine. Even if it's a mistake while one's trying to fix it the vaccine may go stale, especially if it's defrosted the Pfizer-BioNTec one.

Michael Ixer ● 1897d

But wouldn't such idiots believe that there were microchips in the vaccine, so that Bill Gates could ... I don't know! ... play multi-dimensional pinball with our lives, or something?

David Ainsworth ● 1897d

The one good thing about this sort of thing is that it makes people more likely to get vaccinated.  Vaccine envy, which is the fear that someone else is getting an advantage over you, will push the sort of person who would normally be vulnerable to QAnon type stuff (ie that there is a shadowy elite taking advantage of normal people) to get a vaccine when offered.

Rose Compton ● 1897d

actually a quick search on google will show you that it is his real name

Matt Palmer ● 1897d

Hi PaulI didn’t say not to ask her if she realised that only people who were over 65 or shielding were being offered slots so to check that a mistake hadn’t been made, and why it might not therefore be suitable not to take it for someone in their 30s (who is basically at virtually no risk).  That would be fine.Calling someone a self obsessed idiot self from the OP without asking is however more a statement on you than the OP.  If you don’t understand that, then that is your issue but sad to see more unnecessary vitriol being dumped into social media.  Have a nice day and hope you get a vaccine soon if you are nervous about it!

Mike Warman ● 1897d

Ignore the trolls, Gabrielle.  Great news that Putney is romping through their lists. Pleased for you :)

Craig Fordham ● 1897d

No it doesn’t ‘Paul’ (obviously not your real name.). Only someone desperately unhappy and fuelled with anger and outrage would respond in that way.  I suggest you seek help - go talk to someone - rather than try to make yourself feel better by sending unnecessarily vile messages to decent people.

Craig Fordham ● 1897d

Have you considered that you may have misunderstood the lady's posting, Mr Rolink?

David Ainsworth ● 1897d

We are in a war against a virus that kills  much older people than her.  To come on this site & boast that that you have been able to jump the queue invites a suitable response. She had it & if that makes her feel uncomfortable then so be it.I couldn't care less about your response as she would have had the vaccination & you would have said nothing. Indeed it would have been rude to say so in your world. What a lovely person you are.

Paul Rolink ● 1897d

Kingston hospital can be contacted daily to see if they have any unused vaccine-lots of appointments don't turn up for whatever reason.  I know 3 people personally who have done this

Barbara Shillabeer ● 1897d

There are obviously some people who are going to fall through the gaps for various reasons and they hopefully will get more chances to get vaccinated.  I think the NHS letters are coming out after the GPs texts so may pick up some missed people.  Please make sure everyone that anybody - particularly in the older age groups who are not going to be just going online - you think may have been missed out - uncontactable for some reason etc - is reminded to contact their GP - particularly if they are housebound.Don't worry about being called Gabrielle!  The more who are vaccinated the better.

Philippa Bond ● 1897d

Ahh interesting! Thanks Ed! I’ll ask why they’re asking us lot - just to see if a reason!

Gabrielle OMahony ● 1897d

Gabrielle first thank you for sharing and keeping us informed which is what the site should be about.Other people are getting invitations of various age groups across SW15 too.https://nextdoor.co.uk/news_feed?post=17592198394165&add_reply=post_17592198394165Pure speculation: It could be that once a vaccine is distributed it need to be used before a certain shelflife and if all their targeted groups have been done they may be reaching out to others.Let's hope people continue to keep us all informed.

Ed Robinson ● 1897d

Paul you come, across as a lovely person accusing someone you never met of being an idiot, self obsessed and gloating.  When I say lovely I don’t mean it of course - rather rude, intolerant and judgemental.  Perhaps you could be slightly more polite rather than being rude to strangers!  Maybe suggest that it isn’t the case that all groups have been gone through in Putney and ask the OP if she has checked, but that might be a conversation rather than an accusation of course.....

Mike Warman ● 1897d

Wow ok. Obviously if I get told it was a mistake I’ll cancel it. My in laws in the over 50 category had their text nearly two weeks ago now... so didn’t seem unusual.

Gabrielle OMahony ● 1897d

30 with no health issues. You should turn it down as it's obviously a mistake, but you won't as that's why you are gloating on this site.So self obsessed that you don't realise how it makes you look. You are an idiot.

Paul Rolink ● 1897d