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More evidence on the confected campaign against the cycle lanes: it's looking increasingly dodgy. 1. Kensington Business Forum has been held up as being against the lanes. Not true: this statement on their website (https://kensingtonbusinessforum.co.uk/) makes that clear: "We recently passed on the business views, both of those in favour and against cycle lanes, as a representative body for Kensington W8 Business. The views shared with Kensington & Chelsea are of local businesses and not that of our Executive Committee. Regrettably this has been represented, in certain public forums, as our opposition to cycle lanes. This is not the case, but the views of local businesses (both for and against) who provided feedback to the Kensington Business Forum for this current scheme." [Emphasis added]. So the statement in the K&C letter of 26 November, included with Ivonne Holliday's original triumphant post, that "Kensington Business Forum ... asked the Council to take out the lanes" is clearly false. 2. There have been moans that people weren't consulted about the lanes; but K&C's response to the FoI request says: "6. Results and details of any consultation exercise regarding the cycle lanes undertaken by the council during this period There are no results or details of any consultation exercises undertaken. Earlier this year, Government asked London Boroughs to introduce temporary cycle lanes to promote cycling, so that people could move safely and in a socially distanced way around the city with capacity on public transport reduced. The pressures from Government did not allow time for a full public consultation of the kind we would expect to do for a permanent scheme. However, we did take time over the summer to speak to local people and businesses about how we could deliver a sensitive scheme that mitigates - where possible - impacts on other road users. We spoke to residents' associations and business forums (as well as the emergency services, taxi driver and disability groups) over the summer and amended designs to reflect feedback. We originally announced that we would consider plans for Kensington High Street on 19 June. The story was published on RBKC's website and in our mail-outs and there was some press coverage in the Evening Standard and MyLondon of the news. In July we held a virtual exhibition to look at designs for a scheme which was attended by many resident groups and businesses, including the Kensington Business Forum who have assisted getting the word out to local businesses. In August we wrote to attendees confirming our decision to progress the scheme and invite any last comments. In advance of the works starting, we arranged for delivery of letters to all residences and businesses along the High Street on 16 September and a further reminder letter on 24 September. You can read more about the cycle lane and why we chose to implement it at: www.rbkc.gov.uk/kensington-high-street-cycleway" So another falsity. I wonder how many more will be uncovered in this shoddy exercise?

Richard Carter ● 1940d

Andy complains that there was no public consultation; however, the scheme says that prior consultation is not needed for experimental or temporary schemes, as set out in the government's own statutory guidance (https://tinyurl.com/yantgx7b):* Experimental: these are used to trial schemes that may then be made permanent. Authorities must put in place monitoring arrangements, and carry out ongoing consultation once the measure is built. Although the initial implementation period can be quick, local residents and businesses should still be given an opportunity to comment on proposed changes, and the need for extra monitoring and consultation afterwards can make them a more onerous process overall. Schemes installed using experimental orders are subject to a requirement for ongoing consultation for 6 months once in place, with statutory consultees including bus operators, emergency services and freight industry representatives. This consultation allows a trial scheme to be adjusted in the light of experience and feedback, which can lead to a better scheme overall. Schemes should be monitored and evaluated to help make decisions as to whether the scheme should be made permanent, and if so in what form.* Temporary: these can be in place for up to 18 months. There is a 7-day notice period prior to making the TRO and a 14-day notification requirement after it is made, plus publicity requirements.In any case, who should be consulted in such schemes? The residents in the area concerned, or the wider public, including those affected - both those who would use the cycle lane and others, like drivers who use the roads, who could be affected. This is an issue that really needs more careful consideration than the usual "consult the residents" kneejerk reaction.

Richard Carter ● 1942d

Hello Richard,I could say that your cycling-centric rhetoric is getting a bit tiresome too!It seems extremely odd to me that you would be so against residents complaining about increased pollution due to congestion.  Pollution is the key issue in this case.And no, I am not saying segregation, but my comment was in response to one made by Matt:  "was conducted purely in self interest"well yes, being fearful for your life on busy roads will spark that :)"Of course, KHS is is a main thoroughfare, I do not think anyone is denying this; it has always been busy.It is also a main shopping road.  Whether everybody needs to get to it by car I would say not, and that is a very different story.But my main question previously to Matt and everybody else was:"Traffic comes into London - in our case - from the A3, M4 and M3.  Last Tuesday, we had to go to Heathrow and, at about 9.00am, the tailback went from the Porsche Centre in Chiswick beyond exit 3 which we took."  How do you deal with this, please?There is too much traffic in London, I wholeheartedly agree.  But not all of it originates from London.  I have mentioned 3 main roads near us - nothing about other major arteries that come to London, which happens to be the cockpit of the economy and where money is to be made.I am saying this because you are constantly badgering about local traffic. My point is that traffic here is not from residents but from people who live elsewhere.  How would you deal with this?  Do you, hand in heart, tell me that people cycle to work from Portsmouth to London?I am not being facetious, but pointing out very important details.You are a father and a grand father.  Tell me, if you wish them not to do something, do you forbid the something? Or do you suggest alternatives that are realistic for them?

Ivonne Holliday ● 1971d

A very good message!An Open Letter From Cllr Thalassites, Regarding The Disruption Of The Kensington High Street Cycle Lane Removal From Extinction Rebellionhttps://andersonshelter.blogspot.com/.../an-open-letter...Thursday 3 December 2020Last night, workers from our contractor Conways were forced to halt work on removing the temporary cycle lane from Kensington High Street, by Extinction Rebellion. The action taken will have cost our residents money, was conducted purely in self interest, and was nothing more than another PR stunt.They saw an opportunity for themselves, and decided to hijack a local issue and debate.However, the reason I am writing today is to say I have the utmost respect for the school teachers, families, and commuters who have dedicated themselves to fighting for something they believe in over the last few days, and I respect and admire the way they have done it. Especially when passions are clearly running so high.This is what Londoners do, we welcome free speech and fair debate.But this is also about balance.We have seen a growing minority hurling abuse on social media, threatening business owners if they don't join the cause, or making up false support using logos and names without permission.My message to this minority is please consider others.People with disabilities, the elderly, delivery drivers, taxi drivers, bus users, car users, emergency services, pedestrians, shoppers, scooters, motorbikes, and cyclists.All using the same spaces, often at the same time.At the last count, we had over 1,000 emails in our active travel email inbox, split 58 per cent for and 42 per cent against the cycle lanes.Of people who identified as residents of the borough, the split was 31 per cent for and 69 per cent against.Locally, three quarters of businesses are against the scheme.On this basis we made our decision.Do I weight the opinions of local residents more than others? Yes, because that is my role as a local councillor. I am a representative of the people who live in this borough.Threatening us with legal action or financial penalties will make no difference to our decision, London boroughs aren't here to be bullied into submission through sanctions.This also isn't political. We decided to end the cycle lane trial because it wasn't working. Residents have told us so, businesses have told us so.On top of that, this period is vital for businesses and they have made it clear to us that this is not the time to be experimenting, when, frankly, our high streets are facing their toughest test in decades.This isn't just about shops, deliveries, and access. It is about jobs and livelihoods.This isn't the end, we are still listening, and we are still looking at ways to improve cycling provision, long term – but our focus is likely to shift to alternative schemes that have a positive impact for our residents.We remain committed to school streets, expanding the schemes again in the coming months, and making the borough 20mph across the board – because these measures work, and they work for everyone.I fully accept that we are in the middle and there are lots of different views, and whichever way we fall, people will be happy and unhappy. It isn't always simple, the same schools campaigning for the cycle lanes also wanted free parking in the borough to be extended, so teachers can drive to work, alongside other key workers. Something we have put in place for them, despite concerns from residents.For some, I'm sure this message will probably fall on deaf ears, or be tossed into the twittersphere to be ridiculed or argued with.But in every decision I take, my intention is to always try to strike the right balance.Thank you.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1971d

Yes, Philippa, some statistics on how many people drive into London for work purposes would be helpful. In my experience of working in central London and City offices very few people commute by car because they just don't have anywhere to park! Many offices in that area do have parking facilities underground or perhaps in service areas but those are normally allocated to a handful of senior executives or directors who probably commute early morning and late at night. (I once joked if you want someone to work 10 hours a day in central London then give them a complany car with "free" fuel and a company parking space then congestion means they need to get in before 7am and it's not worth leaving much before 7pm ...) There are some public service people - NHS, police, etc workers - and tradesmen - mechanics, plumbers, builders - whose work places also have parking but their shifts and nature of the work they do probably necessitates driving to work.There are a number of surveys indicating people want a hybrid working pattern (possibly up to 80% working from home, otherwise in an office), although that varies - some younger people want the social aspects of working in an office. That would require a change to the  current season ticket model for people commuting by public transport. That's interesting as commuters seem to be used as a cash cow for railways so alternative funding models or subsidies will probably be needed. I'm just putting some thoughts out there - not solutions !

Michael Ixer ● 1974d

Some years ago the Putney Society looked at Park + Ride schemes to see if one or more could be st up to reduce commuter traffic on the A3 and through Putney. We got no support from the Council or TfL and found the idea basically a non starter because there was nowhere with the space to provide the parking. One of our ideas was to use the parking for the playing fields near Robin Hood roundabout - the parking areas were mainly used at weekends but in practice there wasn’t enough room to make a difference to traffic volumes and TfL was disinclined to provide a new bus service. Yet P+R has been very successful in numerous cities around the UK in keeping cars out of town centres. So the idea was probably right even if the timing was wrong. Traffic planning priorities do change and may well change again thanks to Covid. For some people cars are essential but not for everyone. The key is to persuade people not to use their cars for non essential purposes. This has just got harder thanks to Covid and I am sure that’s one reason why congestion has increased. The Jeremy Vine video is a good illustration of the issues about road space usage. He stopped to encourage a female cyclist with a carrier bike who was obviously nervous despite being in a demarcated cycle lane. The bald truth is that many cyclists are deterred by aggressive drivers and need protection from the rest of the traffic. I’ve had several near misses even on side streets locally. Most recently I got the full Anglosaxon treatment by not getting out of somebody’s way. He did overtake where there wasn’t really room after I had delayed him by as much as five seconds. There are no easy solutions on narrow roads but while everybody has an anti-cyclist story I find that there is more considerate cycling than there used to be and a much wider range of cyclists beyond the male Lycra lout stereotype. Can we agree more cycling should be encouraged and can we remember the context:  there is a climate emergency!

Jonathan Callaway ● 1975d

Well Matt, they are stuck in traffic - even if they are traffic themselves, eventually.  I use my car, regardless of the reasons, and can find traffic at a standstill before I get to it.I do not disagree that traffic must be reduced.  Could you kindly give me ideas, that are pragmatic in nature, as to how to do this?  Many people have to use cars - or should I say motor vehicles?  Doctors, nurses, district nurses, emergency vehicles, plumbers, carpenters, electricians, decorators,  to name but a few.Let us forget distribution lorries (yes, those that get food to the supermarkets we buy from!). Oh, and it includes the lorries that deliver your online orders!  Ooops!Bring in road pricing (that was the idea behind the LTNs by the way), increase the tax on petrol - do you think, by any split second, this will not affect those deliveries so many people enjoy?  Do you remember, by any chance, when Ken Livingstone (I think it was), brought in an extra charge in the 80s - or was it 90s I think, to subsidize public transport?  I remember very vividly a friend of mine being livid and asking all the people who enjoyed the extra subsidy if she had ever asked them for a subsidy to fill her tank with?Could you please tell me how you propose to reduce motor vehicles coming into London, after all it is the rich place to work in, those that are using the A3, the M3, the M1, the M40, the M23 to come into London?  Oh, what about the lorries coming from the lorry "car parks" in Kent?  Or are you saying we do not need them? Or, excuse me for being flippant, are you saying that residents in a borough can not use the roads in that borough?Or, heavens forbid, if a family of 4 or 5 want to go on holiday to the seaside cannot use their car?  Of course, the cost of using national rail would make such an escape prohibitively expensive.  Or, if you decide you wish to go and see a friend or relative in, say Yorkshire, you can only do so by train? But you cannot afford it?As a blue badge holder, I cannot tell you how much I despise all of these so-called "easy targets".  Many people use the motor vehicles because they have to or have no other option. No, I do not think this whole issue is fair.  Why not consider park and drive for those who can?  Why has this country suddenly become a prohibitive one (for the many not the few) instead of an enabling one?If you wish to reduce motor vehicles in London - the so-called super rich center of the UK, the cockpit of the economy, the one everyone should lust after, why not produce reasonable solutions to the problem that does not entail the all-so-easy prospect of penalizing those who need to use motor vehicles solely?

Ivonne Holliday ● 1975d

I think we have to face the fact that there is limited road and parking space to accommodate comfortably all the vehicles attempting to use London's Roads. Better public transport and well designed cycle lanes would be a positive move, but poorly thought out cycle lanes are unlikely to help. This is as much a cultural as well as structural change to transport and as such needs a combination of persuasion and buy in. ULEZ seems a good start in reducing pollution, and congestion charges have their place but public transport needs to be cheap (most European cities have higher subsidies if I recall correctly) and need to be frequent, clean and not too crowded, and cycling and walking needs to be perceived as safe. Perhaps other initiatives need looking at: ways to provide bus services with faster paths through congested rush hour traffic, better scheduling of delivery services, etc. It's interesting that even car companies see a future where most car use is shared - either car clubs like Zipcar or drivers services like Uber and possibly, in the future, autonomous driven car services - and are powered by electricity. (I believe in Germany the motor manufacturers have their own car clubs.) One could see an electronic blue badge service where cars including shared use ones are aware of this and can notify traffic management infrastructure so they're given priority or the permission to use "fast track" facilities?I'm not claiming to have the answer but the problem of insufficient road space has to be solved and their isn't room for more roads in London.

Michael Ixer ● 1976d