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Well Ed, yes and no.  We, as a nation and Parliament on the whole were on a complete impasse. I wonder if, in years to come and with hindsight, we will ask if May's deal was in the end the one to aspire to? Shock and horror — why?  The damage to UK businesses and industry are showing now.  It is also true that a lot of information came to light, after the referendum was held and result announced, that was proved to be misleading at best, or purposely untruthful at worst.I think a second referendum would have been the best solution in 2018 or 2019.  The general election was a joke because, supposedly, you cannot have an election on one issue only.  But that is now history. All political parties were seeking to gain political advantage — that is what they always do.  Sadly, the rotten/rotting conservatives won — all based on horrifying lies and further ones being peddled now — Australian style of agreement??  Please note that I was a conservative voter until the current lot reared their ugly heads....  Norway a solution?  I am not too sure.  The Norwegian Prime Minister in 2016 was very clear on the advantages and disadvantages for Norway on their style of agreement.  That standards in the EU should be respected if you trade with them is, in my view, not a wild request, though it enrages Donald Trump with his chlorinated chicken and hormone stuffed livestock.  After all, if you eat in a restaurant, you expect food to be safe for human consumption and not end up with food poisoning afterwards. So yes, I agree with Michael, "It's hardly a surprise — blind ideology at all costs turning into a shambles".  "We must get rid of the red tape, immense bureaucracy" said some boldly.  And, of course, the main ideology behind this shambles is the desperation of a few to avoid the EU's anti-tax avoidance (ATAD) rules....  Rees Mogg and Francois come to mind but they are certainly not the only ones.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2309d

I started this thread by asking what rational interest grounds there are leaving the customs union and the single market. Apart from an interesting discussion about how democratic the first referendum was, and whether it would have been democratic to hold a second one before implementing the first one, nobody has answered my opening question. We are putting up real barriers between ourselves and our major trading partners in the EU just as we are witnessing the realities of trying to stand alone, trapped, it seems to me, between kowtowing to China or to Trump. Neither prospect appeals. Our closest friends and allies are the ones across the Channel, not the ones across the Atlantic. We will never be given any favours by the US unless it is in their own national interest to do so. Joining their wars in Iraq and Afghanistan counts for nothing when trade deals are in the offing. Our national interest lies in staying close to our neighbours in the EU with whom we do so much business, have very similar geopolitical interests and decades of close partnership. Government policy is founded on fantasy ideas about Global Britain (what were we before?) and a disregard for our economic interest - it was government reports that spelt out the huge and real costs of leaving the CU and SM and all the purest sovereignty in the world is not going to help us pay our way in the world. Where is the strategy?  Where are the oven ready trade deals?  I might also add that the cost of travel to the EU will rise as the EHIC health insurance card will cease to be valid at the end of the year, travel insurance costs are rising already and visa-free extended stays a thing of the past, never mind reciprocal rights to working in the EU. I ask again. Where is the net gain out of all this?

Jonathan Callaway ● 2308d