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Remainers

How much more proof do you want?We have had a vote nearly every year since 2014, all indicated LEAVE.2014 - UKIP EU elections WIN2015 - Cameron GE (with referendum in his manifesto) WIN2016 - REFERENDUM - leave WIN2017 - May GE majority WIN2019 - BREXIT PARTY Euro elections WIN2019 - Boris GE with a huge majority WIN

Paul Game ● 2523d29 Comments

Germany: How much more proof do you want, Churchill?We have had a battle every year since 1939, all indicated an Axis victory.1939 Poland. WIN.1940 France. WIN.1941 Greece. WIN.1942 Singapore. WIN.1943 Kharkov. WIN.Churchill: There is many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lip.

David Ainsworth ● 2523d

PaulAs a leaver too I fail to see why you keep goading and banging on about the result. Gloating in victory is not an attractive trait and now is the time to start building bridges to enable the country to break free of the paralysis of the last 3 years and move forward together. Give it a rest eh?

Andy Pike ● 2523d

Well said Andy! Surely Paul must have something else to do in life.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2523d

Thanks for your comment Andy

Lucille Grant ● 2523d

Retire, perhaps?

Alexander MacLeod ● 2523d

When I stop reading stuff like:'based on votes cast, public opinion was NOT shown in the Election to be overwhelmingly supportive of Brexit'Regarding a PR post:'Aren't all elections stolen in this way under our system?''If parliamentary seats were proportional to the votes the in the left hand diagram the blue would not have an overall majority''You do have a point Michael, as the composition of Parliament does not reflect the "will of the people" as it were'When the posts from the bitter and twisted Remainers stop then my job is done and I stop.Simple......

Paul Game ● 2523d

Gosh, when you put it like that, it is really a hard decision.-------------------------------"For I’m to be Queen o’ the May, mother, I’m to be Queen o’ the May."  Tra-la, tra-la.

David Ainsworth ● 2523d

So its the laws of the playground then. He says I said and on and on and on......... if one side lays the bait the other will inevitably bite. Stop fishing is the answer.Has the fool Farage personally appointed you as his representative in Putney.

Andy Pike ● 2523d

Another hypocrite on the forum:Andy said a few days ago'Here we go start of the bad loser complaints.We all new the rules before the outset.shall we go for a peoples election ?'

Paul Game ● 2523d

I'm off the forum for the next 2 weeks after today and when I get back I will decide if I wish to carry on contributing to the forum depending on the material I am reading.Remember all forums need a balance of opinion and I only started contributing to this forum because it was so biased the other way.This thread would be a perfect last thread for me as it emphasises the 6 Brexit wins in 6 elections.

Paul Game ● 2523d

This thread would be a perfect last thread for you as it emphasises the fact that your efforts on the Forum have helped in their own small way to win Putney for Labour, the only Labour gain from the Tories in this election."when I get back I will decide if I wish to carry on contributing to the forum depending on the material I am reading."Gosh, there is a warning which we should all heed! Well I'll try to be on my best behaviour. I'll try to avoid thoughtcrime."Remember all forums need a balance of opinion"I do try, O Leader, for instance I have done a posting in favour of a Londexit by the London area from the remainder of England. The economic advantages seem obvious, but none are biting.By the way, should there be balance between:-Left and Right?True and False?Right and Wrong?

David Ainsworth ● 2523d

Nothing to do with hypocrisy more about letting things be. It is not a balanced argument to name call those you disagree with, even if they happen to agree with you on the main issue _ brexit. There was no major rush of bad loser comments by the remainers except in response mainly to your postings that were goading a response. Anyway I wish you and yours a very merry xmas and a new year where we look forward to the new challenges that brexit opens up for us. Be they good or bad in some eyes.

Andy Pike ● 2523d

Paul Game off for a couple of weeks? No need to hurry back. Take as much time as the Forum needs. 12 months minimum, say? Then come back a new man.....

Alexander MacLeod ● 2523d

It's a free forum. I will take as little or much time as I wish.I will come back as soon as necessary if the anti-democrats on this forum need to hear an alternative voice to their own.Andy - I have never seen you as a Brexiteer, you are too wishy-washy, and I think if I remember correctly you mentioned if you voted again you would vote Remain?

Paul Game ● 2523d

Paul,You do have a point.Until the UK gets a proper written constitution then governments can throw away sovereignty as they see fit.I think Farage even had constitutional reform in his manifesto.May I suggest we turn the negative tribalism into something more constructive that we can agree on.

Ed Robinson ● 2523d

"I will come back as soon as necessary if the anti-democrats on this forum need to hear an alternative voice to their own."Fair enough. Can't say fairer than that. Very decent of you, and all at your own expense, too. Don't ring us, we'll ring you.

David Ainsworth ● 2523d

Paul I believe I once said something along the lines I  was becoming fed up with it all and may consider changing just to get it to move on.No need now its resolved.As for wishy washy do all brexiteers have to be intransigent  fools incapable of considering other peoples views as valid to them,even if we disagree? I hope not.

Andy Pike ● 2523d

I hear what you say Andy but tbf Paul has taken a lot of stick from the hard-core Remainers on this forum and it's understandable he feels vindicated, and wants to express it. I wouldn't call it goading, but then I wouldn't would I, because I'm also one of the tiny minority group of Leavers on the forum. We were all targeted with ridicule and attempted bullying, me by two in particular, and they know who they are. Paul has been the most outspoken and took the most flak but he never backed down, so good for him.👏🏻I hope this resounding victory for Boris and for Brexit will teach a lesson to all those undemocratic Remain MPs who didn't uphold the voters' wishes in Leave constituencies, and consequently lost their jobs. 👍🏻 The GE result has also been a smack in the chops for all the smug elitists in London, the media celebrities and the so called 'stars' who have been shown that their views are not the only ones that matter. They have all been given a tremendous shock and hopefully they will all learn a valuable lesson from this extraordinary General Election. I expect all the closet Mail readers who constantly sneer at the paper but can't wait to read it 🙄 will have already seen this article by Richard Littlejohn, but for those who haven't, please read it because he's spot on.RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: They wanted a People's Vote. They got one! https://mol.im/a/7790961

Sue Hammond ● 2523d

"Paul has been the most outspoken and took the most flak but he never backed down, so good for him."So, despite being in a beleaguered minority, Mr Game stuck with what he believed in, and should be praised."I hope this resounding victory for Boris and for Brexit will teach a lesson to all those undemocratic Remain MPs who didn't uphold the voters' wishes in Leave constituencies, and consequently lost their jobs" So, despite being in a beleaguered minority, the remainer MPs stuck with what they believed in, and should be condemned.Hmmm. Got it. You know it makes sense.

David Ainsworth ● 2523d

thanks for the link Sue, I thoroughly enjoyed reading that!

Adam Tripp ● 2523d

GameYou are like a dog with a stick which it won't let go - except that no one is trying to take it from you !We are leaving the EU - get over it !You won !You have got what you want and are still obsessed about it.No one thinks we will Remain.Impossible with the Conservative majority.The question now is what sort of leaving deal can Johnson achieve by the end of 2020.However your point that the Election proved that 'public opinion' by which I assume you mean the majority of voters, were supportive of Brexit is open to scrutiny as my earlier post below argues.I am still waiting for you to answer me on this.-------------------------------------------------Posted by: John HawkesDate/Time: 14/12/19 13:40:00GameHaving a different point of view from others is nothing to be ashamed of.It is just a matter of fact and not -'Being out of touch with public opinion'Also, how do you measure 'public opinion' ?It depends on the unit of measure.Undoubtedly based on Parliamentary seats won, public opinion strongly favours the Conservatives.And obviously I respect this as the basis for the Conservatives governing, just as I respected the Referendum result.But if you measure votes cast then public opinion split as follows -Conservatives 43.6% : 13.94M votesLabour        32.2% : 10.29M votesLibDems      11.5% : 3.68M votesSNP          3.9%  : 1.24Putting aside Brexit vs Greens,Plaid etc then it seems to me the majority of the public by this measure are anti-Conservative :43.6% vs 43.7% (or vs 47.6% with SNP)OR 10.29M votes vs 13.97M votes (or vs 15.21M votes with SNP)And if we narrow the grouping with which we measure 'in touchness' to the Putney constituency then it is not me that is out of touch but YOU !I win and YOU lose !!Conservative: 18,006 votesLabour, Green, LibDem: 32,461 votes.Of course if you don't like the political environment in which you live you could always do what the charming Ms Hammond advocates and that is move to somewhere you will feel more in touch and at home.Blyth Valley ??!!

John Hawkes ● 2523d

Sue may I point you towards a different mail article: I do not agree with most of Peter Hitchens but I always find it very interesting:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7793551/amp/PETER-HITCHENS-Pity-Conservatives-main-Left-wing-party-country.html

Ed Robinson ● 2523d

Thanks Andy - a really magnanimous post and exactly what this forum needed.  Congratulations on getting the result you wanted.  Now we all need to come together to make it workMerry Christmas to you and yours

Craig Fordham ● 2523d

Thanks for the link Sue - fantastic article.Sums it up nicely.Now we have had the 6 out of 6 wins I will be taking a back seat on this forum, which I promised my wife recently.I will pop back in from time to time and if I see the the usual suspects bullying you I will become a regular poster again.  It's such a shame you are by far outnumbered on here as it doesn't represent the country on this forum.The anti-democratic Brexit blockers have had their day and hopefully some of them will move to the EU in the near future and live under the corrupt and undemocratic rule of Guy Verhofstadt.What a match made in heaven.Best wishes and Merry Christmas to you :-)

Paul Game ● 2523d

"I will pop back in from time to time and if I see the the usual suspects bullying you I will become a regular poster again."You'll be back then.  "It's such a shame you are by far outnumbered on here as it doesn't represent the country on this forum."Would you like to ban us? Have a word with Johnson. He could prorogue the Forum.

David Ainsworth ● 2523d

Just about every post I have put on here the last few weeks is followed within 2 mins with a comment from you.I guess the 'hard left' don't have an argument for themselves so I'm assuming that's why you spend all your time stalking me. very sad.

Paul Game ● 2523d

Hi Paul. I will miss you on the forum but I fully understand why your wife would like more of your attention. 😉 Now that Brexit is definitely going to happen I probably won't hang around too much longer either. My views on many issues do not gel with most posters on here so I think it will be best to let the majority get on with bashing Boris, bashing Trump and moaning about Brexit, and then they can all agree with each other.  Boring 🥱 but they seem to like it that way, and at least there will be less contention on the forum.Paul, I wish you and your family a wonderful Christmas🎄Good Health and Happiness and with a nice big dollop of Prosperity 💷 in 2020. xx

Sue Hammond ● 2523d

Enough nonsense Paul. Go back to your riverside flat and chill.

Graham Earl ● 2523d

'I guess the 'hard left' don't have an argument for themselves so I'm assuming that's why you spend all your time stalking me. very sad'.Game Don't kid yourself.No one is interested in you personally and certainly not in stalking you.There are just some of us (and I would doubt if any and certainly not me are of the 'hard left') who feel that your posts need commenting on because we disagree with your opinions or because you are factually incorrect.For instance your claim that the Conservatives promised 31,000 more/extra nurses when their Manifesto, which you never read, clearly stated they were promising 50,000.AND your persistence in claiming that every election as well as the Referendum proved that 'public opinion' was strongly for Brexit when a different analysis of voting figures can prove a different case.No longer commenting is your choice.No one has hounded you away.In fact you and your cohorts have been treated with far more courtesy and politeness than in the main you demonstrate.Perhaps you are just a snowflake !!

John Hawkes ● 2522d