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worried re brexit

As we near the GE it is obvious that most,not all, peoples views have stayed where they were.  To me, and I may well be wrong, that means any meaningful legislation, will be fought over endlessly.  The thought of MPs acting as they have recently, doing the same for the next few years, fills me with dread. I think the worst has yet to happen.  I so hope I'm wrong but doubt it.

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2530d13 Comments

Scaremongerer!  ;-)I agree - I think the hard work is about to begin.  And yet 52% of voters knew this was going to be the case.Why on earth a nation would deliberately vote for political and economic woe is beyond me.

John Gorst ● 2530d

This is why Boris must win with a sizeable majority. Go Boris!

Sue Hammond ● 2530d

Assuming there's an EU to be part of, we'll be back in it within 20 years.  Until then, expect endless wrangling and arguments- think Scottish independence x10

Craig Fordham ● 2530d

"As we near the GE it is obvious that most, not all, peoples views have stayed where they were."A sensible rule for such situations is not make the proposed change."I think the worst has yet to happen. I so hope I'm wrong but doubt it."I have that feeling too, although our reasons may differ. However, feelings are not facts, although, as we see, they have great power and thus are very important.

David Ainsworth ● 2530d

"Assuming there's an EU to be part of"With that comment I think you've nailed it Craig.

Sue Hammond ● 2530d

"Go Boris!"Oh yes indeed. Go anywhere that will take you! I mean, such a chap, the sky must be the limit!

David Ainsworth ● 2530d

Hahaha I expected that from you David!😸

Sue Hammond ● 2530d

Mrs ShillabeerPost the election, assuming that Johnson has a majority, and I do,  you will not have to worry about MPs fighting endlessly over legislation because he will be able to pass whatever he wants.He already has legislation pending on his Withdrawal Agreement that will mean 'Brexit' happens on 31st January which will doubtless be confirmed.He has also committed in his manifesto (though any such from him is of doubtful value) that having 'left the EU' under these high level 'framework' agreements he will wrap up all trade and political arrangements (ie what in detail our relationship with the EU will be) with all EU countries by the end of 2020.It's here you have to start worrying because no one except him and his lickspittles about to be elected as Conservative MPs, believe that this is at all possible in that timescale.If not achieved then we resort to WTO arrangements that the majority of those with expertise in such matters believe will have a most detrimental effect on the country's economy and your living standard.However  doubtless you have a different 'point of view' on such matters.So be prepared for months if not years of negotiation and haggling between the UK and the EU individual countries over matters varying from tariffs and trading standards to fishing rights to migration and residency rules - both for their citizens here and ours in the EU.And no opposition MPs will be able to do a thing about it.Johnson will have and have to take full responsibility for how these negotiations go and how we are affected by them.If you really want an idea of what lies before us and what you should prepare for you might read this. https://policyscotland.gla.ac.uk/ghost-of-christmas-yet-to-come-brexit-lecture-full-text/I did not vote to leave the EU because on balance the advantages Johnson, Gove and Cummings told me would accrue did not seem worth the effort of tearing up more than 40 years of economic, social and political arrangements with countries with which we share so much common cultural heritage and values.But I respect the right of people like you who want to leave to take me with you and am willing to share the pain.

John Hawkes ● 2530d

I really hate this idea that the Conservatives are there to support rich people.  It's so ignorant and so totally untrue.  The Conservatives believe in supporting new and small businesses, in assisting the people of the UK to help themselves and live a good life.The NHS promised to give medical help to all people from the cradle to the grave.People get confused in thinking that the government has the same remit.  IT DOESN'T!!  The Government is there to provide a decent infrastructure to the nation, financed from taxes from the people, to enable everyone to progress with their lives.

Bunny Payne ● 2530d

Obviously no one believes future trade deals will be ‘wrapped up’ in a year, or even five years. It’s just a slogan that avoids discussing the issue. The same with ‘Get Brexit Done’, everyone knows it’s facile and vague and means whatever you want it to mean.The danger is that we crash out of the EU with no deal, if future trade talks break down.  If the Cons have a majority and a free reign with the next Parliament, this could put enormous pressure on the UK, particularly Scotland and Northern Ireland. All I say is, don’t underestimate the danger of that! If you crash out because of Tory dogma, the north of Ireland will explode. The shock waves will be felt here. I don’t think some of you guys get it. I don’t know why, you sound old enough to remember ‘the troubles’ and should be wise enough to avoid stumbling blindly back into them.

Paul Doorly ● 2530d

Don't you remember the MPs who said that the party had moved away from them?  This is why they left.  Conservative party politics has moved further to the right and too far for many who previously voted Conservative.

Philippa Bond ● 2530d

I'm sure Ms Greening cared about education, social mobility, etc but if you think the likes of Rees-Mogg and the rest of the ERG cabal give a hoot about most people then remember what Mogg said about Grenfell, foodbanks, etc. Why do you think they've gagged him at the moment? He might give away the true feelings of the Tory right wing who seem to be in the driving seat now!

Michael Ixer ● 2530d

I agree about Northern Ireland and shock waves being felt here. Sadly most English people couldn't care less.

Lucille Grant ● 2530d