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Trump visit and the BLEXIT movement in the USA

Just a thought on the Trump visit. Many on here would not have heard of the BLEXIT movement in the USA?Black American conservative Candace Owens has started the movement in America.It's effectively Black people in the USA pro-Trump and against the Democratic party.The Democratic party have for years treated the Black community as victims and tried to pigeon hole non-white people as separate from the rest of society. Absolutely disgraceful.Victim-hood is a nasty word created by a certain group in society.Black conservatives by the thousands are dumping the Democrats and  joining the movement in support of Trump.Remember that in the USA 90% of the TV stations and press are anti-Trump so you wonder how is is still way ahead in the polls? It's because people can see through the lies of the Liberal press and make their own minds up.Much like this country with our liberal press and the BBC.Bare in mind Trump only has one news channel Fox news, on his side in the USA, so it's a miracle he is in line to get a 2nd term.So before you read all the nonsense in our press about the Trump visit remember Black America is supporting him and he is way ahead in the polls and ready for a 2nd term.Please research Candace Owens and the BLEXIT movement as it is so refreshing to see Black America wanting to make their own way in life without being pigeon holed by the Liberals.Ps. You won't hear anything from our bias Liberal press about BLEXIT as they continually want to follow the Liberal narrative which is attacking Trump as a racist. Blexit intro clip attached:https://video.foxnews.com/v/5854796494001#sp=show-clips

Paul Game ● 2535d18 Comments

Following the main stream news channels and press in this country I agree you would just assume Trump was a 'racist baffoon' and you would assume all his supporters are white.This is an eye opener! It just goes to show.Did she pinch the idea from the UK Brexit party?

Mike Essam ● 2535d

Yes Mike she got the idea off Farage.She has actually interviewed Farage if you are interested?It's a fantastic interview. The link below:Candace is amazing. I've no doubt, she will be president of the USA in the next few decades as she is still quite young.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gVSHk3CAI4

Paul Game ● 2535d

Paul. As with all things this isn't (if you'll excuse the pun) black and white. I've discussed (in fact was discussing in the last week) how theres been a swap in position between Republican and Democratic views over the decades:https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/article/How-Democrats-and-Republicans-switched-beliefs-9226115.phpApparently, some southern state Democrats are not that liberal and will oftern vote with Republicans on some issues.Of course, Trump himself has expressed sympathies with the Democrats in the past and I know a number of Republicans who detest Trump. 

Michael Ixer ● 2535d

Michael point taken, but anyone reading the threads on here the last 4 years from you guys would just think Trump was a 'racist'The black conservative Candace Owens is Trumps young apprentice and has 1.8 M followers on twitter.The BLEXIT movement in the USA is gathering pace and is already HUGE.Thousands of black Americans love Trump but you wouldn't believe it if you read the comments on this forum, the BBC and the British press.What are your thoughts that 1000's of black Americans are  switching parties and supporting Trump?Probably not something you would want to admit to?

Paul Game ● 2535d

Just watched this 17 min clip on youtube.Eye opener. Thanks for the heads up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3_ZdlcfTes

Mike Essam ● 2535d

For years the Democratic party have been buying the black vote in America, a bit like Corbyn does in this country, with buying the Muslim vote.

Paul Game ● 2535d

"Corbyn does in this country, with buying the Muslim vote."I should have thought that you would think that that, if it happened, would lose Labour more votes overall than it would gain.

David Ainsworth ● 2535d

Seeing as you have joined the debate on this page I'm interested to hear from you too about the massive Black vote that is gathering pace behind Trump?It really is strange that BLEXIT is backing someone who is such a racist?

Paul Game ● 2535d

My post should have read "(in fact I was discussing with a US friend in the last week) "I really shouldn't try and draft these posts on buses - or trains!

Michael Ixer ● 2535d

"It really is strange that BLEXIT is backing someone who is such a racist"Really? We'll have to see how it goes in 2020. As an American commentator put it on NPR:-"Black voters have always been pragmatic. They've never had perfect, anti-racist choices on either side of the aisle. After emancipation, when Republicans were the best mechanism for advancing the civil rights of black people, black people voted Republican. In the 1960s, when the Democratic Party was the best vessel to advance the civil rights revolution, black people voted for Democrats."Abraham Lincoln was a Republican. Kennedy and Johnson were Democrats.Still, for me, it really is strange that 41% of all US voters is backing someone like Trump.

David Ainsworth ● 2535d

So do you think that Corbyn would lose overall votes, if he were trying to obviously buy the Muslim vote? Or would he gain some advantage?

David Ainsworth ● 2535d

Yes agree, the politics are completely different in the US.The interesting thing with Trump is that he was the darling of the Liberal press before he became a politician, especially after his role as the 'Alan Sugar' in the American version of the apprentice.People looked up to him as a man that reached the pinnacle of the 'American dream' process.Running as a Republican suddenly changed all the love that trump had, and suddenly the Liberal press saw him as a threat and started turning on him.'Crooked Hilary' was their candidate and not Trump.Candace Owens who previously voted for the Democrats has said that this was the changing point in her mind when she realised the press was completely run by the Liberals.To see the Liberal press turn on him really infuriated her.From this point she changed her politics and started supported the underdog Trump.I admire Candace, she is an amazing young Lady.She has starting a HUGE process in the US now which has seen 10,000's of black people switch to Trump.

Paul Game ● 2535d

Well, Paul, Trump did align himself very vehemently with the "birther" movement against Obama and white supremacists like Steve Bannon, and has been very lukewarm in his criticism of KKK supporters; additionally there seems to be evidence that in the past he descriminated against black people wishing to rent his properties in New York. Additionally, there's the reports of his reference to "shit African countries", so it's easy for one to believe he might be a racist? Of course I'm sure he's very nice to black Americans who he thinks might be useful to him? I'm not sure it's helpful to compare the US and UK in regards to racism. The US fought a civil war to get rid of slavery and then compromised on segregation in many states with equal rights following later; in the UK we didn't have slavery at home and abolished the slave trade via Parliament, immigrants came to the UK as British citizens seemingly with equal rights but were descriminated against until we put laws in place to stop it. (I'm told by US friends it's far more common to see mixed couples in the UK than the US.) I guess in the same way that many immigrants in the UK who are business people support the Tory party because they prefer their tax policues then there may be those in the US black community who like some of Trump's economic policies - I don't know know, I'm surmising that's the case. However, there are UK business people who support labour, so as I said in my previous post, it's more complex than " black and white".

Michael Ixer ● 2535d

Up to 2016. "3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

David Ainsworth ● 2535d

Thanks Michael, for going to the efforts of writing a lengthy reply, much appreciated.Parts I agree with you and others I don't.Certainly Candace has said the reason she and other black members of Blexit started supporting Trump was because of the nasty lies directed at him by the 90% liberal owned press as soon as he decided to run as president.They saw this as an injustice, especially as 'crooked Hilary' had a free ride.I watch many of the Candace/Blexit shows and videos and I think it is wonderful that 1000's of black Americans are coming together to rebel against the democratic party.The main gripes are that they are sick to the back teeth of being told that as black people they are victims and being told they should feel oppressed.They've had enough of Identity politics.This is all being peddled from the white left.They just want to be treated as equals. I agree with them, Identity politics is really harmful and just creates division. It's starting to have the same effect in the UK.

Paul Game ● 2535d

"there seems to be evidence that in the past he discriminated against black people wishing to rent his properties in New York."Seems so."Trump initially came to public attention in 1973 when he was accused by the Justice Department of violations of the Fair Housing Act in the operation of 39 buildings. The Department of Justice said that black "testers" were sent to more than half a dozen buildings and were denied apartments, but a similar white tester would then be offered an apartment in the same building. The government alleged that Trump's corporation quoted different rental terms and conditions to blacks and made false "no vacancy" statements to blacks for apartments they managed in Brooklyn, Queens, and Staten Island. Representing Trump, Roy Cohn [look im up] filed a counter-suit against the government for $100 million, asserting that the charges were irresponsible and baseless. A federal judge threw out the countersuit, calling it a waste of "time and paper". Trump settled the charges out of court in 1975 without admitting guilt, saying he was satisfied that the agreement did not "compel the Trump organization to accept persons on welfare as tenants unless as qualified as any other tenant".Tony Schwartz, the ghostwriter of Trump's book, The Art of the Deal, said that the housing case was "a classic example" of Trump being "a counterpuncher": someone accuses Trump of doing something horrible, and he "goes back at them with all guns blazing.... And admits nothing." If Trump loses, he will "declare victory"."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_TrumpTrump in 2011:-"I have a great relationship with the blacks. I've always had a great relationship with the blacks."https://www.salon.com/2011/04/28/donald_trump_discrimination_suit/

David Ainsworth ● 2535d

Wow you've been busy copying and pasting again David😂Are you sure this is not Richard in disguise?Always happy to see alternative points of view put forward from the hard left so thankyou for your post.

Paul Game ● 2535d

"Wow you've been busy copying and pasting again David😂Are you sure this is not Richard in disguise?Always happy to see alternative points of view put forward from the hard left so thankyou for your post."Thank you for your comprehensive input. I shall study it at my leisure.

David Ainsworth ● 2534d