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Hope for Remainers in Putney?

The largest piece of constituency specific modelling has given indicative polls for Putney. It shows that if just 1 in 3 current Lib Dem voters switched their vote to Labour, we will kick the tories out and have a remain MP voting for a second referendum in Parliament.In addition, Best For Britain (another tactical voting site) which previously suggested voting for the lib dems (and featured on their leaflets) now says vote Labour and Fleur Anderson in Putney.This is a game changer and now makes Putney a clear two horse race between Labour and the Conservatives - don't waste your vote!https://tactical.vote/compare

Daniel Shearer ● 2541d36 Comments

YouGov is due to publish its hotly anticipated MRP modelling poll for the election just after 10 p.m. tonight. This is the polling method that first accurately projected a hung parliament in 2017, and it will be fascinating to see what the numbers suggest could happen this time.

Adrian Pearce ● 2541d

That's great information. Couldn't be clearer, either Labour or Tories in Putney. My understanding is:1) Vote Tories, get Trump.2) Vote Lib Dems, get Boris.3) Vote Labour, get Labour.

Paul Doorly ● 2541d

The real question is why can't tactical voting sites be more tactical? Them giving contradictory advice completely undermines their purpose. Good news that a clear message is finally emerging though.Hold your nose and vote Labour!

David Parker ● 2541d

Really admire Daniel & Paul’s commitment on here in the last couple of weeks.  Jeremy & Seamus will be proud - wonderfully on message, chaps.

Craig Fordham ● 2541d

Do they understand irony though?

Lucille Grant ● 2541d

I think he's being sarcastic.An example of irony would be the Brexit slogan, Take Back Control of The United Kingdom, which, ironically, has created an uncontrollable and ungovernable  Disunited Kingdom.That's ironic, wouldn't you agree?

Paul Doorly ● 2541d

Utterly ironic Paul!

Lucille Grant ● 2541d

> The real question is why can't tactical voting sites be more tactical? It's almost as if anyone can start a tactical voting site to say what they want.It's almost as if Tory or Lib Dem activists could start a tactical voting site to suggest voting for Labour in seats where the Lib Dems are the biggest threat to the Tories, or voting for Lib Dem in seats where Labour are actually the biggest threat to the Tories.

Alex Greenbank ● 2541d

Hmm, I hadn’t looked at it that way, Alex.  Interesting!Paul -  apologies I was being sarcastic.  What I should have said was that I don’t understand the logic that ardent Remainers should vote Labour, given the Lib Dem’s romped home locally in the Euro elections.  If, on the other hand, you actually want to encourage people to vote Labour, I’m not sure using a ‘Stop Brexit’ proposition is the right one, given the Party’s wishy-washy stance on the issue...unless this is all a secret Tory plot!?! 

Craig Fordham ● 2540d

Hi Craig, I don’t quite follow your point.As regards Brexit, I believe the referendum was handled terribly, by Cameron. We were asked a ridiculously open ended question that is tearing the country apart. It’s not the people’s fault but the architects of the referendum, that is where the blame lies.I respect that the country made a decision but, because of the vagueness of the question, it is not possible to implement.Therefore, I believe a second referendum is the best way to resolve this issue, but the referendum needs to be clear: in or out, if we want to leave it needs to be implementable.As regards the election in Putney it seems a two horse race; Tory or Labour. I think the Lib Dem’s will only split the anti-Tory vote. Therefore, I would encourage people to vote Labour as they have the best chance of resolving Brexit. Plus, Fleur Anderson is a great, moderate candidate.That’s all. No conspiracies. No tactics.

Paul Doorly ● 2540d

Come on Paul and Daniel, it’s obvious to everyone that you’re Labour Party activists and not to be believed or trusted.

Stephen Walker ● 2540d

How many people would be left in Putney in say 12 months time if Labour got in government. Be a great place to get a house for 125k or so , at least no one would have to pay Corbyn’s inheritance tax I suppose would they? I have been a happy man speaking to so many great working class people over past few weeks all over country. One thing we have in common. We all detest Corbyn. Everyone simply cannot stand someone that hates the UK is not patriotic and is promoting people not to aspire in life.A vote for Libs is a vote for Corbyn.

Nick Gulliford ● 2540d

Nick I must say it all seems to remind me of this from when I was at school......https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXWVpcypf0wIt seems we are still growing apart as a country.  I thought a musical interlude may be appropriate!

Mike Warman ● 2540d

I am patriotic, and of course would want everyone to aspire in life, and achieve their aspirations. I am apolitical, but very anti-Brexit. If the conservatives get a majority in this general election, Brexit is much more likely to go ahead, which would be a disaster for this union of countries and all UK citizens. Don’t worry Nick. Vote Tory if you want to be left in Putney, or anywhere else in the UK. Your freedom of movement to live, work, study, travel and retire elsewhere on your home continent will be taken away from you if the conservatives get a majority. Now that’s something to look forward to...being stuck on this tiny island...with our youth who would never forgive us for limiting their futures. Oh, and around 400k people have lost their jobs since the vote, mainly in areas that voted to leave the EU. Think they’d prefer anyone else over Boris Johnson. Vote. Don’t vote conservative. In Putney, according to recent polls, vote labour. Help stop Brexit. ‘I believe our young people in particular deserve better...the backers of Brexit have punched a hole in their hull...their opportunities are deteriorating...It is how a country treats those with most future, its youngest citizens, that defines us all. Johnson seems hell-bent on taking that future away...Whatever your age, think about the young generation. And try to give them back the future being taken from them.’  Betty Boothroyd. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/how-society-treats-its-young-defines-us-boris-johnson-is-determined-to-strip-our-young-citizens-of-their-future/

Clare Noeken ● 2540d

@clare. Totally with you.  We are accused of being “anti-democrat”. I’m loving the “anti-patriot” angle. Trump would be all over that. They don’t like it up ‘em, they don’t like it up ‘em! Lol.

Freddie Francis ● 2540d

Claire I initially voted to remain in the EU just so you know. My issue is with Labour policies and a horrific dangerous leader.

Nick Gulliford ● 2540d

Excellent  quote from Betty Boothroyd - always a voice of reason.

Lucille Grant ● 2540d

Sorry, Paul, I wasn't very clear.My issue is with Labour appealing to Remainers on a Stop Brexit line.  Yes they will put a halt to the current Brexit timetable, but the current leadership is definitely not committed to Remaining - indeed Corbyn has done nothing in my eyes to overturn the widely-held perception that he is a Brexiteer.  By all means stand on a 'stop the Tories' or a 'save our public services' platform.  I just feel, however, that using a Stop Breixt' message is disingenous.  Even if Fleur Anderson is an ardent remainer, she would have no more clout than Justine Greening had, in the face of a leadership that just doesn't want to Remain.  ...and for the regular contributors, I know that any suggestion of remaining is anti-democratic etc. ;-)

Craig Fordham ● 2540d

I'm curious, do you live in the Putney constituency?

Adam Tripp ● 2540d

Corbyn is a Brexiteer but he has promised a refererendum and I can't see how he could renege on that. I wouldn't worry too much about Corbyn's more expensive plans. He won't get an overall majority so best he, and some of us here, can hope for is some sort of Lib/Lab agreement. I am no fan of Corbyn but it's very hypocritical to bang on about liberal elitists and silver spoons while supporting Johnson- hardly a self made man of the people and sneering ar Corbyn who probably does have the interests of 'ordinary working people' at heart.

Jane Carter ● 2540d

Daniel Shearer appeared on this forum 3 weeks ago - I suspect he is a political activist who has nothing to do with Putney. Care to comment Daniel?

Adam Tripp ● 2539d

A bit about me:I live on Putney Hill, Wessex Court.People like me don't really get into politics, it is only because of the situation that the country finds itself in that I feel I need to stand up and make my voice heard. As a young person, I was the first generation to see my tuition fees tripled and to graduate into a crippling jobs market. Then, after graduating, I am faced with astronomical rents and the calamity that is Brexit.I am ambitious and hard working. I want to get on in life - one day I hope to own a home of my own and start a family, but even things like getting married and having children seem so far away. Despite the fact that I've worked hard all my life (I came from a working class household and I read Physics at Oxford) it all seems to be for nought.But when I met Fleur Anderson, the Labour candidate for Putney, I started to gain hope that by electing centrist Labour MPs we could start to move the country forward in a better direction. A direction that would see investment in public services, more house building and a second referendum on Brexit. Lets be real here - for all their talk and bluster the Liberal Democrats have no hope to win here - the most they can accomplish is stopping Labour winning.So yes, I live in Putney and no, I am not a 'political activist'. I am just a resident posting his thoughts.

Daniel Shearer ● 2539d

Daniel, in that case you have my sincere apologies, regards Adam

Adam Tripp ● 2539d

Decently done, Mr Tripp.

David Ainsworth ● 2539d

Hear, hear.

Richard Carter ● 2539d

Thanks Adam, and Daniel. Tes, vote for Fleur. 

Michael Ixer ● 2539d

Tes=Yes! 🙂

Michael Ixer ● 2539d

Thanks Adam - so long as you vote Labour on December 12th ;)

Daniel Shearer ● 2539d

Good for you Daniel. I may (or may not) agree with your politics  but I defend your right to speak!

Lucille Grant ● 2539d

Anybody with half a brain understands that once Brexit is ratified there will have to be lots/years of negotiation. I don't understand why the media keeps pushing the idea that Brexit will solve everything, leavers know this and understand how it will be...Let's get in done and get on with sorting out the country.

Bunny Payne ● 2539d

If Leavers know Brexit would take a long time to implement, then why does Boris Johnson keep pushing the slogans  "Get Brexit Done" and "oven ready" as though it could be done quickly? Is Brexit to be entrusted to a party that wants to fool the public? Whether or not one believes in Brexit, this should be deeply concerning.

Matthew Tiller ● 2539d

Let's not get it done and make the job of "sorting the country" so much easier.

Michael Winstanley ● 2538d

Running second to the Conservatives in the last election in Putney were Labour. Running second to the Conservatives in Yougov's recent MRP poll were Labour.If the Conservatives win the election with a majority, Brexit will happen quite swiftly. Remainers' only chance is a hung parliament. The only chance of Putney contributing to this is if Labour win.I am not a Labour activist but a natural supporter of the Conservative Party.Some of the rubbish talked in this thread amazes me. Make your own choice.Oh and btw, Nick Gulliford - you live in a fantasy world.

Michael Winstanley ● 2538d

Stephen, you owe Daniel an apology - see his post 29/11 at 15.48. Adam has had the decency to give an apology; yours is conspicuousl by its absence.

Jane Carter ● 2538d

Welcome to the forum, Daniel. Good to hear a young person's point of view. Please do continue to contribute. You are a breath of fresh air.

Jane Carter ● 2538d

Lib Dems still putting out literature saying they are a close second here.Sometimes, I wonder whose side they are on.

Daniel Shearer ● 2536d