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Canning town tube today

ER protesters on top of tube train dragged off by commuters . Seem to be losing support. See you tube footage.

Andy Pike ● 2582d56 Comments

I saw this , great to see the British public taking action. Some people were shouting. ' I need to get into work to pay bills and feed my kids' says it all to me.My journey was also delayed via Waterloo by these scum bags.If we can't get to work I am wondering how they are going to get their benefits paid from the tax we pay?

Nick Gulliford ● 2582d

A couple of clips from twitter.East London not the best place to wind up the working class who have bills to pay.https://twitter.com/HollyJoCollins/status/1184713537232556032https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1184724648874909696

Paul Game ● 2582d

I'm a little confused as I thought they want us to dump the car and use public transport. So why disrupt the very means of transport they want us to use? Or is it just disruption for the sake of it now?

Andy Pike ● 2582d

Commuters 1 - 0 ProtestersThese anarchists have scored a massive own goal with this latest stunt. Last vestige of public support gone.  By public I mean all the decent hard working people just trying to go about their daily business and get to work to put food on the table.  Not the entitled luvvies like Cumberbatch and Thompson who preach about how 'we' must reduce 'our' carbon footprint and then jet off on their latest transatlantic jaunt. Or Swampy and his mates who wouldn't know how to do a hard day's work. Or the ageing hippies tagging along and pitching up in Trafalgar Square, smoking weed and burning incense in their non-eco friendly tents. Or finally, the professional protesters who are incentivised enough to trouser £400, but probably don't give a toss about climate change anyway.

Sue Hammond ● 2582d

I don't think that the aim was to disrupt the Underground itself, but rather to disrupt the City and its workings. I have seen reference to disruptions at Canning Town and Shadwell, which are both junctions of two lines, and so more effective places to cause delays. However, I am not surprised that some travellers reacted physically. The Underground is a very physical, edgy place often, especially when busy and full. Probably not the best idea.

David Ainsworth ● 2582d

Go careful Sue, you will have Freddie on here bitching about you soon!

Paul Game ● 2582d

Sue, this is being framed. Probably my favourite post on the forum ever.Thanks Nick

Nick Gulliford ● 2582d

Oh come on Ms Hammond, stop soft-pedalling and get off the fence! Spit it out!

David Ainsworth ● 2582d

@Paul"Go careful Sue, you will have Freddie on here bitching about you soon!"Am I bovvered?

Sue Hammond ● 2582d

I think Sue sums up how the general public are starting to feel.Last few days I've not come across anyone who supports XR protesting anymore.They've made their point, now lets all move on.

Paul Game ● 2582d

"They've made their point, now lets all move on."Move on to where?Brextinction?As George Monbiot says in the Evening Standard today:-“Business as usual and politics as usual is just going to destroy our beautiful planet.”

David Ainsworth ● 2582d

Go girl go! :-)

Paul Game ● 2582d

I think this was a massive own-goal. Really stupid.A vote was taken on Tuesday night in regards to targeting the tube today and the response was an overwhelming no. Guess those four people just decided to go ahead anyway. :(

Matt Palmer ● 2582d

Fair play Matt, again you have been honest with your thoughts and appreciate it was a step too far.

Paul Game ● 2582d

These XR protest just go to show right the current PM was when he tried to bring water cannons to the Capital's streets. I don't want to see the Police laughing and joking with this scum, I want these 'protestors' to be dispersed with minimal fuss but maximum amusement for the rest of us.

Mike Harris ● 2582d

not working very well is it? I just took part in a rolling roadblock around central London with about 250 other people on bikes. So much for being shut down eh!(still disagree with the tube action though)

Matt Palmer ● 2582d

I suspect it also shows the state of the country with so many people working in the gig economy.  So many are now working but still having to depend on benefits because they are not earning enough to live.  There is a growing gap between rich and poor.  https://cpag.org.uk/child-poverty/child-poverty-facts-and-figuresYes it is the UK and it is shameful.

Philippa Bond ● 2581d

"I want these 'protestors' to be dispersed with minimal fuss but maximum amusement for the rest of us."If you indulged your fantasy delight in water cannons in a tube station, you would make more new enemies than friends.

David Ainsworth ● 2581d

I thought it was the XR warriors who turned the water cannon on innocents.  As they did at the Treasury.All part of the well thought out tactics

Hugh Thompson ● 2581d

The Treasury are innocent? Strange.

David Ainsworth ● 2581d

@Philippa, you hit the nail on the head.30% of households have a salary of under £20,000 in the UK.The London Remainer elite haven't got a clue about poor working class regions that are struggling.Wage suppression has been killing the working class for years with unlimited free movement of people, and working class people don't feel like their lives are improving under the EU membership. Charities advise that one in 3 working families are a months pay packets away from being made homeless. Very sad.

Paul Game ● 2581d

Explains why 406 constituencies voted leave and only 242 remain. 66% against 34%.The hardcore of this country is the less well off working class areas and they voted overwhelmingly Brexit.

Paul Game ● 2581d

Read the article on the Front page of the Forum about last night's Council meeting.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2581d

Oxford Circus currently occupied, if anyone wants to pop over and offer some support ;)

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

You are right Caroline a good reason to halt free movement to ease pressure on the limited Housibg available. An added bonus will be to stop any movement here if those Bulgarian fascists we witnessed at football on Monday

Andy Pike ● 2581d

Andy: Were Free Movement, Bulgarian fascists etc mentioned in the Council Meeting?

Caroline Whitehead ● 2581d

You sound very proud of yourself.  So what exactly have you achieved Matt? Apart from pi$$ing off even more commuters, hopfully none of them will get kicked by your bunch of anarchists today.

Sue Hammond ● 2581d

Sue, I've been over to have a chat with them, as my office very close.I started a nice chant -Do you want to get to work - YesAre they wasting tax payers money - YesAre they wasting police time - YesI got a few appreciative nods. I did ask the police whether I could help them take the crucifix down, unfortunately they said no.Had a good chat with the friendly police officers all whom want to get back to their day job.Some real weirdo benefit scroungers hanging around as you'd expect whilst we pay for them. Strange they don't want us to work really?

Nick Gulliford ● 2581d

I think it's  more likely that the free movement of investment capital to low wage area is what affects wages. That applies to the US as well as Europe so isn't specific to the EU? Given the reports of unpicked fruit perhaps freedom of movement isn't really the issue?

Michael Ixer ● 2581d

Not that I'm aware of but neither was the meeting held at Canning Town tube.lol

Andy Pike ● 2581d

if XR really want to get the government's attention, they should blockade Downing St, parliament and all the ministries. Why disrupt the lives of millions of Londoners?

Adam Tripp ● 2581d

Sue. In the reports I saw it was commuters kicking the XR camera person. 

Michael Ixer ● 2581d

watch the footage again, the commuter climbing up the side of the tube was kicked by the protester

Adam Tripp ● 2581d

Matt, your friends were at Waterloo around midday.

Michael Ixer ● 2581d

Ok, Adam. Although I  agree with highlighting the climate change pending disaster and the science behind it I think disrupting train travel is an own goal.

Michael Ixer ● 2581d

I agree with you but I am puzzled by their tactics. I believe most of the public are concerned with global warming so xr are disrupting the lives of wrong people. march on number 10, march on parliament, march on any and all political bodies, why piss off the public?

Adam Tripp ● 2581d

That's what we did last week. 11 sites across london were completely blockaded.

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

Marching doesn't work.

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

Costing tax-payers money i'm afraid is the primary goal.Sorry about that but it is what it is

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

@MattYou guys are only interested in any media coverage you can get hence the nonsense of targeting the general public.  Your PR is wrecked and the shambolic way you guys are organised is dangerous not only to the demonstrators but members of the public, who started off supporting you.  The public are thinking but are you guys?

Robert Wheeler ● 2581d

Matt - what will the situation be tomorrow with the major march taking place in town?

Lucille Grant ● 2581d

@Matt. A Facebook friend has asked me if there's any significance in the hooded, red robes the protesters wear?

Michael Ixer ● 2581d

Unsurprisingly I totally disagree with you. As I said in another post, a vote was taken on whether to target the tube and the result was an overwhelming no. Those four people went and did it anyway and in the eyes of every XR member I know it was a really really stupid move.

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

Yes those are members of the 'red brigade', dont they look amazing?Before anyone says it, the red signifies blood, not socialism.

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

here you go :)https://www.dazeddigital.com/politics/article/44238/1/meaning-behind-extinction-rebellions-red-robed-protesters-london-climate-changewatching the perform is quite something

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

@LucilleAs far as I knew everything ends today but there is something on the XR website for tomorrow so i'm not sure.In general we've avoided the anti brexit protesters outside parliament because XR is non-political. There are leave and remain people within XR btw.

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

Thanks, Matt 🙂

Michael Ixer ● 2581d

is there a question in there?

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

Matt. No, just thanking you for the link.

Michael Ixer ● 2581d

Ok thanks Matt. Good to know.

Lucille Grant ● 2581d

No Matt, they look like a bunch of prats.

Sue Hammond ● 2581d

It's a shame you feel like that Sue. The don't cause any trouble or disruption, just perform some street art. Maybe you would change your mind if you saw them in person.

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

Years ago not everybody had central heating nor did they have cars, they went on holiday by coach. Froze indoors with ice on the windows and an electric heater. Now that people have gained and worked hard, stupid people don't want them. Make your mind up how do you think you will get rid of electric car batteries. Electric is 3 times dearer than gas. Other countries are all having riots, when will it end. Feed the children and get rid of plastic. Not transport.

Barbara Stevens ● 2581d

Hi Barbara, You might like this enjoy this 3 min video about an action I took part in last week to disrupt the British Plastic Federations annual dinner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VZVbRXFp_U&feature=youtu.be

Matt Palmer ● 2581d

Exactly, Andy.  I'd had a sneaking admiration for these people until now.  But if you want to counter climate change you need to limit car use - I think we can all agree with that.  If we reduce car use we need to support and promote public transport.  So now these people are disrupting public transport how are they really countering climate change?Sounds like they no longer have an idealogy to promote, sounds like they've bee hi-jacked by the usual anarchists.

Helen Passey ● 2581d

Like it or not, XR have created more awareness and don't think there can be any limit to pressure to do with the environment.Was pleased to see in Sainsbury yesterday that they have alternative small eco friendly bags to put your veg into, instead of using the usual thin plastic bags they offer for veg.  They are fabric and seem to be washable .. got two to test out.  Every little bit helps!

Bunny Payne ● 2581d