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My considered choice was not to vote for a Corbyn led Marxist government.My considered choice was to leave the EUI have no desire at all to go to hell in a handcart with CorbynMy democratic CHOICE is sink or swim with Brexit

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2641d4 Comments

Tend to agree Barbara, although I suspect scant agreement here in the people’s republic of Putney forums (Brussels dependency branch).The more remain extremists in Parliament pervert democracy and plot, the more they will stir up rebellion in their voter base I think.  Here’s a remainer in chief (Hammond who is one of the chief architects of pushing to no deal through his lack of willingness to fund preparations earlier in the process to such a level that apparently remainer May will leave him off her her of term honours list)https://order-order.com/2019/08/14/hammond-wto-honest-model/Meanwhile in the rest of the country....https://order-order.com/2019/08/17/yougov-brits-prefer-no-deal-brexit-pm-corbyn/

Mike Warman ● 2641d

Mike, the YouGov poll you reference at the end of your comment also asked ‘Imagine the final outcome of Brexit was Britain having a new referendum and voting to remain in the EU after all. Would you consider this to be...’. Totally acceptable: 47%. Totally unacceptable: 41%. Not sure: 12%. It is not democratic to blindly follow a path set by a small majority of people who were lied to. No one voted for shortages of food and medicine. Full data of the YouGov survey can be found here: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/qf0co3hq4j/YouGov%20-%20No%20Deal%20No%20Corbyn%20vs%20Corbyn%20and%202nd%20ref.pdf

Clare Noeken ● 2641d

“It is not democratic to blindly follow a path set by a small majority of people who were lied to. No one voted for shortages of food and medicine. “And where was the popular consent when Brown and other European leaders signed the Lisbon treaty into being?  Ireland was the only country given a vote, and they had to retake it.  None of the other member states dared to put this rebadged EU constitution to their voters including Brown for the UK.Come to that where was the democratic consent for the maastrict treaty or the poor countries that got suckered into the Euro which has been instrumental in ruining so many lives in Southern Europe.  The only two populaces given a referendum on the euro both rejected it.  Poor Italians etc had no such opportunity.Always easier to be democratic when we agree with the result of course!I thought there should have been a 2nd referendum after the first one and even signed the petition at the time, but I think over three weary years later that time has passed.Oh and from your quote at the top, people have been lied to endlessly about the EU as it’s been portrayed as a trading construct but has largely been run towards political union and is continuing to attempt to centralise ever more control in Brussels.  The remain campaign lied in as much as they didn’t admit that.  On your forecasts on the outcome of leaving they are forecasts (as was Osborne’s forecast of 500k job losses and a recession in 2016 as a result purely of the vote to leave which turned out to be wildly inaccurate) not facts of record.

Mike Warman ● 2641d

Interesting scenario. Government losses of no confidence vote. Election delayed until after the UK crashes out of EU. Affect of exit is disastrous because of lack of effective government. In the aftermath of civil disruption Boris blamed,  Corbyn wins election. Without moderation from ECJ Labour commence renationalisation of mail, rail, utilities, grid ... with minimum (or no?) compensation. Careful what you wish for! A no deal exit is unpredictable and, in my view, reckless. But remember, Corbyn seems a Brexiteer at heart ... 🙂

Michael Ixer ● 2641d