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This seems to be splitting into a number of different threads!Nationalist. I quite like Matt's definition. It's usually the outcome from a practical point of view, even if it's not the intention. I also see Paul's point about getting our own house in order. I thought at one time we had that in hand but it's the current government that's caused a reversal and increased poverty and the growth in food bank use. The UK is a wealthy nation, problem is perhaps too much is being hidden in offshore accounts? But we can't ignore the world around us - people around the world have satellite TV and the internet and then can see how the west and now countries like China have an unfair share of the  wealth - if we don't help them get some they're, quite naturally, want to come here for it (whether that's Europe or the US). Given the shrinking world that's been created by better, faster and ubiquitous communications from transport to telecommunications, are traditional ideas of nationalism outdated? That's why we have an increasing need for treaties for trade, political unions, defence, migration, etc?Elite. I think a lot of people would put Blair and a number of his cronies in the elite club. (Actually, probably Corbyn and most of Momentum members would.) I suppose Major is now part of the elite but he did take himself from the streets of Brixton to his current position. So did people like Alan Sugar - who took himself from a  barrow in the East End to being a property magnate. Major and Sugar are people I can respect irrespective of whether I like or agree with them. But they bring us into the area of social mobility, and moving from a working class to an elite position. It seems to be that's more difficultly nowadays than in the 60s/70s?Ageism. I see that's rearing its head again. Speaking as a crumbly remainer, I have to say the younger generation need to get out and vote like the oldies do. Whatever your politics one should consider it as a civic duty to vote. It's disrespectful to those round the world who have fought and died for the right to vote.


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