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Trump sharpens attack on UK ambassador Kim Darroch over emailshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48914294Talk about opportunist!  Trump is like a toddler in a tantrum!Since when have the US Ambassadors not provided straight forward reports to the US Government on the countries they are based?  Please!!!!!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2683d35 Comments

'Talk about opportunist!  Trump is like a toddler in a tantrum!'So much like the reputable Sadiq Khan?Oh no, thinking about it, they have nothing in common.Trump delivers on his promises!

Paul Game ● 2683d

Paul,You may like Trump, that is fine.But, as President of the US, he should first withdraw Letters of Credentials and stop making these very silly cowboy statements.  I do not think he has the guts for it and is hoping the Ambassador will be withdrawn.He criticized Theresa May for not following his  suggestions (perhaps instructions?) on how to deal with the EU.  Theresa May, who still happens to be our PM, said she has full confidence on the UK Ambassador.Please, I do not think this has nothing to do about politics, just a dented ego - and Trump's is enormous!Can you, hand in heart, tell me that US Ambassadors throughout the world do not send reports of that nature to the US Government on the countries they are posted?  Also, could you kindly confirm that the news have not had similar reports on the US Administration, something like revolving doors for employees in the White House?  And that is information given by CNN, Trump's newly favourite news channel... 

Ivonne Holliday ● 2683d

Ivonne. Why are you getting your knickers in a twist over Trump? I really don't understand all the hysteria on this forum over what he does or doesn't do. Calm down and have a cup of camomile tea. Or a large G&T. 😉

Sue Hammond ● 2683d

Sue,What are you talking about?Knickers in a twist?  Ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2683d

Why would Theresa May pick an Ambassador who doesn't have any time for Trump? Yet another huge mistake by May. Every step of the way she has been awful for this country!Trump has been spot of of his assessment of May's Premiership.Thank u next, as Ariana Grande would say.

Paul Game ● 2683d

Well, Paul, perhaps the Ambassador chosen was the most experienced diplomat at the time.  I do not know.  But, the person appointed represents the UK and most certainly does not please, or appease, the government of the country.  He/she represents the UK.Trump may, and I stress may, have been correct on his appraisal of TM, by chance.  But he suggested to her the UK sued the EU which showed his completely has no clue as to how this country operates.By the way, I am an incredible fan of Ariana Grande!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2683d

Quite agree PaulMore that comes out over how she has run things more she will deserve the epithet of the worse prime minister (just imho of course).  Caused endless division in this country  - when we needed a leader we got May who blew through over 2 1/2 years of brexit planning and has only moved us backwards.  I kind of wish she was Putney mp so I could vote against her!

Mike Warman ● 2683d

While I may agree with you that TM was not the greatest PM, why should this be muddled with Donald Trump?I do, by the way, think that Justine Greening has served us all very well indeed.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2683d

LOL that would have been a nice option Mike.As usual your summary is spot on :-)It could be an interesting few years ahead.If Boris doesn't deliver it could be Farage as PM, with Widdecombe as foreign secretary.Two characters who will stick up for the UK and put the wind up the EU!

Paul Game ● 2683d

Though it was not Theresa May who appointed Sir Kim - that pre-dates her premiership. Oh - facts! I do apologise - never welcome are they

Michael Winstanley ● 2683d

Yes, let's get the facts straight,  Sir Kim was appointed ambassador to the US in January 2016 before the Brexit result and Trump took office. As he's due to retire before the end of the year Trump's tantrum will probably have little effect and we can always play tit for that with the US ambassador ... May has messed up Brexit negotiations but Trump doesn't really understand the situation, as someone said we can't sue the EU: ow ridiculous! There's still 48% who want their democratic voice heard,which Labour and the unions may have realised? Would be funny if Corbyn were to appoint the next ambassador to the US ...https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48912063

Michael Ixer ● 2683d

On the upside, if Trump will not talk to our ambassador, Darroch, then perhaps we will manage to avoid being little Tony Blairs and coat-tailing along behind Trump as he trips into an attempt to "obliterate" Iran.

David Ainsworth ● 2683d

Talking of Corbyn, the Remainers on here who are desperate for him to back a 2nd referendum maybe watch this video of him blasting the EU and 2nd referendums.Corbyn says 'in the event the first result isn't the one that some people wish for, they will push for a 2nd and 3rd until the correct result is achieved'Exactly what many on this forum are seeking.https://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/parties/labour/jeremy-corbyn/video-emerges-of-jeremy-corbyn-attacking-eu/Corbyn has always criticised the freedom of movement all his life for suppressing working class wages, and he's correct, that's exactly what's it's done. Obviously suppressing working class wages hasn't affected the rich and their pot of wealth. In fact suppressing working class wages with freedom of movement has boosted the wealth of the rich.We all know this is one of the reasons why the Liberal elites want open borders. It makes them richer, and those with 2nd and 3rd and 4th properties find it easy to hike the rents up in crowded and over populated cities. Tony Blair and his huge property portfolio a fine example.  If Corbyn has got any principles left I can see why he won't change his mind about a 2nd referendum. He would look a total fool and be left with no credibility. Just frustrating for me that he's just sitting on the fence and won't say want his policy is.The EU and the Brussels gravy train are swimming in our cash, and the sooner it stops the better!

Paul Game ● 2682d

PaulHe has now been told by the union s what his policy is.2nd referendum and remain . About turn !!!

Andy Pike ● 2682d

If that is the case Andy then it is the final straw for his credibility.

Paul Game ● 2682d

"There's still 48% who want their democratic voice heard"In what way are their democratic voices NOT being heard? Parliament has rejected Brexit 3 times, our political "elite" has thwarted brexit at every step, I doubt we will ever have a meaningful brexit, how is that NOT being heard???

Adam Tripp ● 2682d

Perhaps, before this thread is completely hijacked by irrelevant stuff about Corbyn (on whom Andy has started a different, if misleading thread) we could get back to the original point, which is that Trump has reacted to truth-telling like the thin-skinned baby he is, with a tantrum worthy of a three-year-old. And to think that this ignorant moron is the head of state of the most powerful nation on earth!

Richard Carter ● 2682d

You are spot on Adam.The Political elites are blocking the democratic vote.You couldn't make this stuff up!

Paul Game ● 2682d

Just to add , their voice was heard in the referendum, it’s just that however you cut it 52% is a majority, 48% a minority, and the rules of the referendum were that the majority decision would win.Of course in the meantime our politicians who promised to respect the vote have worked hard to frustrate it, turn it into Brino etc.  This has become ever more obvious.  If remainers won’t accept the result of a referendum to leave how do they expect the voters whose opinion won to accept anything said those remainer politicians in the futureTherefore no point in voting for them outside of remainia.I see our Justine Greening is urging action to block us leaving in contradiction to the manifesto she stood on https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-justine-greening-no-deal-cabinet-members-vote-boris-johnson-theresa-may-a8996101.htmlOf course the most prolific posters on this forum agree with them so that’s alright then....

Mike Warman ● 2682d

David, I suspect  Boris  is quite happy to be a 'little Tony Blair' in hanging on to Trump's coat tails.

Lucille Grant ● 2682d

The 48% just want another referendum so the 52% can ratify that the deal promised is the one being delivered. I don't remembered anything being said about a no deal defore the referendums but happy to be corrected if you can find any quotes?

Michael Ixer ● 2682d

Sorry Richard. Although it was Trump who commented on Brexit and May as well as the ambassador! Just had a slightly depressing evening of Ibsen at the Duke of York (although excellent acting/production) and wanted to stir things up ☺

Michael Ixer ● 2682d

I agree, Michael. Leave means ... what sort of leave at what cost, precisely?  Fatal lack of clarity in both the ref question and the pre-ref “debate”. That’s why parliament is trying to head off the most catastrophic outcome. And why a confirmatory ref is the least worst way out of this mess.

Jonathan Callaway ● 2682d

Michael and Jonathan,Watch the Cameron speech for yourselves.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUsKWsPcRXEIn the video David Cameron says 'The referendum will be the final decision, a once in a generation vote, an in out choice, no 2nd referendum, no second chance, the British peoples vote will be respected. If we vote leave, we will leave. Those choosing to leave think very carefully as this cannot be undone'Sorry for my ignorance but which part of the PM speech didn't you understand?

Paul Game ● 2682d

@Paul. I didn't vote for Cameron, I think he was wrong to hold a referendum, he ran a shabby pro remain campaign: I profoundly disagree with what he did and said. Hence, as we've failed to leave after three years because our incompetent government has been unable to negotiate a deal acceptable to Parliament, and I have no confidence in Johnson or Hunt negotiating a better deal than we have at present - or being able to reconcile Brexit withe the GFA, I think the best way forward is a second referendum.

Michael Ixer ● 2682d

Smile for the day, I'm sure it was accidental 🙂https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/times-london-donald-trump-front-page-trolling_n_5d24708ce4b0583e48272868

Michael Ixer ● 2682d

And Mick Jagger to replace Sir Kimhttps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mick-jagger-mocks-trump-revolutionary-war-airports_n_5d2404afe4b07e698c3fdb54

Michael Ixer ● 2682d

Apologies, I mean Sir Michael!

Michael Ixer ● 2682d

Paul, he also said he’d stay on whatever the result and didn’t.  My earlier point was about lack of clarity around the meaning of “leave”. There were multiple definitions before the vote and what Gove said (leave both customs union and single market) was not what Johnson said. And we were promised a free trade deal with the EU to start the day we left. Where did that go?  The EU wanted three key areas sorted out first: The Irish border (still no fix in sight beyond the dreaded backstop), clear terms for EU residents in the UK (not sure these are sorted even now) and an exit fee (agreed by May but  now challenged by Johnson). A great pity nobody on the Leave side listened to what Brussels was saying even before the ref. I think these things were deliberately fudged so Leavers could wind people up on sovereignty, immigration and identity issues, all highly emotional, and gloss over the immense cost and complexity of separation. In my view that’s why we are where we are, with a hugely noisy minority (who happen to be a majority in the 0.25% of the population voting for our new PM) demanding a no deal exit. If you favour a no deal exit perhaps could explain how much it will cost us all. There is real anger on the Leave side arising from the frustration of not having what they voted for, but it will be as nothing compared to the anger of the 48% who didn’t fall for Johnson and Farage but will suffer the consequences of something they never wanted to happen. How will you explain to struggling farmers, out of work skilled manufacturing workers and the like why their sacrifice is worthwhile?

Jonathan Callaway ● 2682d

@Jonathan, Appreciate your detailed reply. I agree that there are many issues still unresolved but the bottom line is, we can only have and live in a democracy if the losing side accepts the result. Unfortunately that isnt happening with some Remainers.I honestly believe Cameron was crystal clear that if we voted leave, that's what we would do. He also made it clear, no 2nd referendum!

Paul Game ● 2682d

"I honestly believe Cameron was crystal clear that if we voted leave, that's what we would do. He also made it clear, no 2nd referendum!"But he didn't believe for one minute that we would be that daft. That's why he bolted when it happened. It's void. He was obviously not in control of his faculties. No jury would convict.

David Ainsworth ● 2682d

Found out something very interesting about Trump today.I didn't realise he used to be the darling of the MSM in USA before he put himself forward for the role of President.People may know he played the Alan Sugar type role in their version of the Apprentice and he was very popular. He was seen as the guy that many people aspired to in terms of reaching the American dream.As soon as he put his hat in the ring the Liberal press which is estimated to be 90% Democrat backed in the USA started turning on him to try and destroy him. This was to give  Hilary a clear run into the White House. Just goes to show how powerful the MSM can be. Without his social media platform and the opportunity to respond to the #fakenews he wouldn't have had a chance.By all accounts there is no credible opposition and he is going to walk the 2020 election which will give himself another term.The only person I think could beat him is Michelle Obama, but so far she hasn't indicated she would like to run.

Paul Game ● 2681d

@Michael - how about the option that we naturalise Sir Les Patterson and give him the ambassador's job? I reckon he's are perfect fit. He tells it like it is, much like the Donald. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v67JB7kPVWk

Freddie Francis ● 2680d

@Freddie - I'm sure Boris is looking into it at this very moment ...

Michael Ixer ● 2680d

We know that Trump likes nepotism. Perhaps Boris should appoint his dad Stanley?Nick

Nicholas Evans ● 2680d