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New line up of EU leaders

After three days of marathon negotiations and behind closed-door meetings, Europe has a fresh cast of newly unelected leaders. It’s times like this when the completely undemocratic and disconnected nature of the EU is there for all to see.The new EU leaders' fresh commitment to a United States of Europe with an EU Army will further deepen the divide between the EU elite and the public.A failed German defence minister, a failed Belgian PM, a former finance minister found guilty of negligence in a multi-million Euro scandal and a Spanish politician who’s been a cheerleader for repression in Catalonia.It beggars belief that some of the British public want us to stay on this runaway corrupt gravy train.Watch the clip below from Andrew Neil. The only impartial journalist that exists on the BBC.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZlBy1G9BsQ

Paul Game ● 2683d8 Comments

Europe's MEPs have all been elected or did you miss that election last month? Otherwise your friends in the Brexit Party wouldn't be raking in their salaries and expenses now.We are about to get  our own unelected leader as PM. I'm more concerned about this situation.Boris Johnson  is likely to win thanks to only 124,000 Conservative members (as at March 2018) or possibly even less as some have left and joined the Brexit Party since then. This is undemocratic.BTW Our Government is also chosen behind the closed doors of No 10 and no doubt the new one will be filled with Conservative failures. 

Lucille Grant ● 2683d

Lucille, I will tell you what Boris will do.He will ditch all the undemocratic cabinet MP's who agreed to honour the result of the 2016 referendum in their manifesto, but are doing all in their power to block Brexit.We've had 3 years of a Remainer PM and cabinet so now lets have a Brexiteer PM and cabinet who will honour and deliver the referendum result.

Paul Game ● 2683d

Paul, I don't ever get to vote for the head of state of the UK, so presumingly the UK isn't a democracy? Hilary Clinton won the popular vote but by the quirks of the electoral college in the US Trump won the presidency ...  and seems to believe he's a dictator! No democracy is perfect, not even the EU 🙂

Michael Ixer ● 2683d

Missing my point completely Paul.No doubt Boris will try and do as you suggest but we will still have an unelected PM based on the votes of a few  thousand people. This is undemocratic, but sadly British politics appear to be as undemocratic as you think the EU is.

Lucille Grant ● 2683d

Michael, there is no way of deselecting the unelected EU leaders if we are not happy with them?We can get rid of our own MP's at the ballot box but we can't get rid of the unelected EU bureaucrats.Old boys club.

Paul Game ● 2683d

You can get rid of them at the next European Election (or at least they can be voted out  by their country's members) just as we can get rid of our useless Government at our next General Election, hopefully long before the current 5 year mandate is up. And no, I don't believe Corbyn will get into No 10 as a result of people leaving the Conservatives in droves for the Brexit Party.

Lucille Grant ● 2683d

Paul. A bit like the UK's House of Lords? All democracies have their limitations. The US cabinet (Pompeo,  Bolton et al) are not elected at all but appointed on the whim of the POTUS. The EU isn't perfect but seems a reasonable compromise as all positions are appointed and overseen by elected representatives either of the member states or directly to the EU parliament. 

Michael Ixer ● 2683d

Even Jean-Claude Juncker has attacked EU leaders for the secretive and undemocratic way they stitched up a deal to nominate his successor as European president.I wonder if they will have to spend as much money on the drinks cabinet now that juncker has gone?https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/05/jean-claude-juncker-hits-eus-secretive-deal-name-successor/

Paul Game ● 2683d