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I'm with Jonathan.  I don't use herbicide or insecticide. There are only a very few very powerful companies making these nasty chemicals and they will argue themselves silly to keep their share of the chemical market.  It can take years to prove that these chemicals cause problems.  The recent cases may just be the tip of the iceberg - the easily proven ones.  Why take the risk?  There are so many of these products which everybody thought were fine because they were on the market which have later been proved not to be and are no longer on the market.  It is not that long since DDT was taken off the market, or Paraquat or Creosote or Benlate.  Tobacco has not long been proven to be a problem with a history of very expensive fights in the courts.The answer has to be to NOT use any chemicals unless you have a big problem.  It would be better to have more knowledge of which plants cause problems and how to deal with them best.  Random spraying everything can't possibly be the answer.This allows plants to build up a resistance to those chemicals which will kill them now just as we have problems with losing any antibiotics that will work for us.  In India generic antibiotics are being made and a tremendous amount of the drugs gets into the water because they don't have the strict procedures to avoid this happening.  This will mean that they will end up not working for many people.  We now have all these chemicals that are sprayed on our streets and on our vegetables in our bodies. What happened to hoeing up the plants that we don't want that grow in the wrong places?  There are different shaped tools for doing this.  Earlier this week I was using a hard long handled garden brush to brush paving stones and it was also removing dried moss and small plants (predominantly grass).  I could see that I would need to go back to have another go at a couple of thistles.

Philippa Bond ● 2717d

Roundup has been proven beyond reasonable doubt to be a carcinogen in the US courts. There are reported to be 15,000 cases pending and the consequences may bankrupt Bayer who bought Monsanto last year. One has to bear in mind Monsanto's mission statement which was to "control the world's food supply". They are doing this by developing GMO plants that are resistant to their biocide; Roundup. Their contracts to supply seed to farmers (especially in developing countries) are anti-competitive and although initial yields increase, this tails off after 3-4 years of spraying.  This has reportedly led to the suicide of many hundreds of Indian farmers contracted to grow GM cotton. The glyphosate itself is probably the carcinogen (being only one atom away from being Agent Orange as used in the Vietnam War) though it is the adjuncts in Roundup that make it worse.  Worldwide, use has increased 5 fold this century making it a big moneyspinner. It is everywhere; in the air, the water, the soil and in food. It has even been detected in breast milk. Cancer is at the extreme end of other conditions linked to Roundup. The apparent Armageddon on insects (extending far beyond farmland) and insect eating birds should be treated more seriously. I am somewhat surprised that based upon the growing scientific evidence, the EU and our government have not adopted the cautionary principle and banned its use. 35% of food production is dependent upon animal/insect pollinators. Should insects especially bees (proven to be affected) disappear, we shall be facing worldwide famine. Notwithstanding climate change; we are in an ecological emergency.

Roland Willis Gilmore ● 2714d

I am not a chemist and on checking, unreservedly admit that I am wrong about the compounds however; the rest of what I wrote is true. To suggest that American courts are awarding millions of dollars to victims of Roundup because there is reasonable doubt that Roundup was not the cause is untenable. Most cases, particularly of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, have come about as a result of regular and extended exposure. It was first introduced in 1974; 45 years ago. As far back as 1985, glyphosate was designated a Class C Carcinogen. When considering research evidence, it is very important to note who funded that research. Unsurprisingly, Monsanto funded and published research indicates that it is safe whilst independent studies have demonstrated the opposite. In 2012 the French Professor Gilles-Eric Seralini published his famous toxicity study, which showed how rats fed on a diet containing NK603 Roundup tolerant GM maize or given water containing Roundup, at levels permitted in drinking water and GM crops in the U.S., suffered severe liver and kidney damage. This was not the first independent study showing the possible damage being caused to health by glyphosate-based herbicide but it was the most high profile long-term study. In 2015, the World Health Organization’s cancer agency, IARC, classified glyphosate as “probably carcinogenic to humans” (Group 2A). This was based on “limited” evidence of cancer in humans (from real-world exposures that actually occur) and “sufficient” evidence of cancer in experimental animals (from studies of “pure” glyphosate). IARC also concluded that there was “strong” evidence for genotoxicity, both for “pure” glyphosate and for glyphosate formulations. In a unique public testing project carried out by a laboratory at the University of California San Francisco (UCSF), glyphosate was discovered in 93% of urine samples from across America during the early phase of the testing in 2015.In 2017, a peer-reviewed study led by Dr Michael Antoniou at King’s College London using cutting edge profiling methods describes the molecular composition of the livers of female rats administered with an extremely low dose of Roundup weedkiller over a 2-year period. The dose of glyphosate from the Roundup administered was thousands of times below what is permitted by regulators worldwide. The study revealed that these animals suffered from non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD). This study is unique in that it is the first to show a causative link between consumption of Roundup at a real-world environmental dose and a serious disease condition. In 2017, internal Monsanto and EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) communications, released during a growing number of Roundup cancer court cases, revealed the reality of the 30+ year glyphosate cover-up. The internal company emails show how Monsanto has colluded with the EPA to play down glyphosate safety concerns, admitted that Roundup / glyphosate could possibly cause cancer and other harm to human health and also attempted to silence the work of Professor Seralini.In the first "landmark" legal case last year, $78 M total damages were awarded to the former school groundskeeper, Dewayne Johnson of California. If circumstantial evidence is anything to go by, the well researched and published decline in wildlife from wild plants and insects to birds etc. should be taken as an indicator to investigate what has changed in the environment to bring about those results. Monoculture practices, currently condoned by DEFRA and supported by extensive biocide use are clearly implemented.  Nothing of what you say negates the suggested implementation of the precautionary principle and that is what I am advocating.  What do you mean by "supporters of green issues"?

Roland Willis Gilmore ● 2713d

In support of what I am advocating, apart from bans in California and Miami, these are countries that have banned or restricted the use of glyphosate : -Belgium: In October 2018 the ban on the sale of broad-spectrum herbicides (including glyphosate) to non-professional users entered in to force across Belgium.Czech Republic: In 2018 the Czech Republic put strict restrictions on the use of glyphosate and banned pre-harvest spraying; “These substances (glyphosate-based herbicides) will only be employed in cases when no other efficient method can be used,” Agriculture Minister Miroslav Toman said.Denmark: In July 2018, the Danish government implemented new rules banning the use of glyphosate on all post-emergent crops to avoid residues on foods.France: In 2017 France banned the use of glyphosate and all other pesticides in public green spaces. In November 2018 President Macron said he would take all measures necessary to ensure that glyphosate-based herbicides are banned in France as soon as an alternative is available and at the latest within three years. However, he has since stated that this deadline may only be 80% met.Italy: In August 2016 Italy’s Ministry of Health banned the use of glyphosate in public areas and also as a pre-harvest spray.The Netherlands: From the end of 2015 the sale of glyphosate-based herbicides has been banned to all non-business entities.Malawi’s Ministry of Agriculture, Irrigation and Water Development announced the suspension of import permits for glyphosate in April 2019.Vietnam: Vietnam announced that it banned the import of all glyphosate-based herbicides with in March 2019 following a cancer trial verdict from San FranciscoSri Lanka: In 2015 a full import ban on all glyphosate-based herbicides was put in place by the then newly elected President Maithripala Sirisena. This ban was partly lifted in July 2018 but only for use on tea and rubber plantations.Six Middle Eastern countries banned the import and use of glyphosate-based herbicides in coordination with each other in 2015 and 2016: -OmanSaudi ArabiaKuwaitUnited Arab EmiratesBahrainQatarBermuda: Bermuda’s Environment Minister Cole Simons confirmed the ban on glyphosate-based herbicides at a public meeting in January 2017.St Vincent and the Grenadines: In August 2018 Agriculture Minister Saboto Caesar called on all stakeholders to be understanding of the new suspension on glyphosate-based herbicides “in light of the nation’s quest to promote a safe working environment and good agricultural health and food safety practices.”This not a "scare story". Meanwhile Roundup and other branded glyphosate based herbicides remain on sale in garden centres and supermarkets here in the UK.

Roland Willis Gilmore ● 2713d