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Firstly, may I politely ask that we do not need a public warning "stop the world" every time a 48 hour hiatus is taken away from the forum.  No one else does this, nor do they accuse others of having a chip on their shoulder, being anti-semitic, trolling, or repeatedly tell them to "Give it a rest".  This kind of behaviour is rude, and stifles debate.Those who would have added to the vote against Macron, have already voted with their feet, appalled at high taxes and uncontrolled immigration, which has left Paris with Roma* urinating in the metro, and street robberies at an alarming rate.  A Lebanese friend who lives in France, tells me that Tiffany Paris now avoid wrapping gifts in their usual distinctive turquoise, in case people are mugged on their way out of the shop. Another lady I know had her gold necklace ripped from her throat in the street in broad daylight.  Singaporean friends of our were mugged twice in one day in Paris, and will not be going back.  Neither are the French who now enjoy the safe streets of oriental tax-free locations.In many European cities you will see people with backpacks on their front, for this reason.Hollande set the ball rolling with draconian taxes, and Macron has finished the job, deliberating over eye-shadow whilst the country burns. Tired of the Globalist agenda, many Europeans now want to feel proud of their nationalities, and a voted for a strong stand against so-called "multiculturism" (whose in particular?) and have voted accordingly, leaving a parliament so fragmented that any future decisions will be even harder than previously.It is absolutely wrong to suggest that all other parties but Brexit and UKIP were "Remain".  The only actively pro-Remain party was Change UK who came last or second to last in every region that voted.  Having jumped the sinking Labour frigate, Soubry et al are still claiming they did really well, but blaming each other for losing.608,725 Londoners took the safe option of voting for a party that has never held power and that no one really understands, whose pale stale leader has just resigned.  536,810 voted for a couple of pale stale Marxists, who now "demand" a second referendum.  Brexit came third with 400,257 votes.Scotland voted for their own nationalist party, with Brexit coming second.  Mrs Sturgeon now wants another referendum on independence in 2020.Brexit won Wales, with Plaid Cymru  ("The Party of Wales" with the specific aim of achieving independence) gaining more votes than previously to achieve second place.Both of our neighbours indicate they have had enough of Labour, and Westminster.  With plenty of agriculture and fisheries, HEP and a small population, who can blame them for wanting to go it alone.Much was made in the media of those EU citizens who failed to vote because they had not sent their forms in in time.  What has not been highlighted is those that did are most likely to have voted to remain in the EU.  The fact that there are so many EU citizens living in London, may tell us quite a lot about our continental neighbours..The other regions of England all voted resoundingly for Brexit, who have 29 seats in the EU Parliament, Lib Dems have 16, Labour 10, Greens 7, Conservative 4, SNP 3, and Plaid Cymru 1.Andrew Marr, who used to make money selling Trotskyist publications, should apologise to Mr Farage for his rudeness, and justify his £400,000pa BBC salary, totally funded by us, with donations by the EU.It appears that that those leaning left enjoy spending lots of other people's money until they get the result that they want.  Many Remainers do not understand the concept of winning, and using their logic, one could argue that Andy Murray never won Wimbledon.*  A couple of weeks ago in the small Boots on our High St, I and others witnessed a Roma couple shop-lifting using a large black suitcase.  The brave shop assistant grabbed it, and a large number of pilfered goods fell out.  The couple both wearing black, with gold necklaces, grabbed the case back, and were last seen boarding the 37 bus on the URR. 

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2724d

Yes, where does one start in that rant. Obviously one assumes most Remainers do understand the concept of winning, well I do anyway! But I think comparison with a game such as tennis is unfortunate. Firstly, the rules of tennis clearly state clearly how one wins, the rules for the referendum were drafted in such a ways as to define it as being just advisory although both major parties did say they'd accept the outcome. Secondly, politics isn't really a game. The result was marginal in mathematical terms so given affects people's day-to-day lives significantly the needs and thoughts of those on the losing side mustn't be ignored. In fact May's launching into invoking A50 without any consensus across the remain/hard/soft-leave spectrum as how to define Brexit is probably why she failed. The solution was unacceptable to both Remainers and hard Brexiters. Rant on about that but it's a fact that Brexit has failed and I suspect any attempt to push a hard  Brexit through without a mandate - either without a confirmatory referendum or general election - will end either in more failure or the disintegrationof the UK. Thirdly, Remainers also understand the idea of cheating and have a deep mistruct of some of the Leave.UK tactics and are concerned about the intervention by foreign agencies both in the Brexit and the US votes. So another referendum, which is far from being undemocratic (how can more voting be undemocratic?), would give more strength to the leave campaign and allay the fears of Remainers against any previous nefarious activities. It could further assist in defining what type of Brexit the majority of people prefer if Brexit must happen. If Farage is so confident of  his case then he should welcome it as validating his position: I must admit he's got a great marketing machine going; one that Coca Cola, Red Bull, McDonald's, etc - who also sell products of questionable benefits - would be proud of. 

Michael Ixer ● 2724d