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A little survey for SW15 residents

Please simply vote number 1, 2, 3. Who do you consider to be the most racist party below:1.....The Liberal DemocratsVince Cable has a campaign rally with Guy Verhofstadt last week in London and there wasn't an ethnic minority person in sight.2.....The EU parliamentThere are currently 3 black MEP's out of 751 in the EU parliament.3.....The Brexit partyThe Brexit party have a diverse mix of ethnic candidates from all walks of life for the EU elections.

Paul Game ● 2728d42 Comments

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Paul Game ● 2728d

Are you a member of an ethnic minority Paul?

Lucille Grant ● 2728d

Your idea of a survey?You ask a question then tell us the answer (according to you).Fantastic.

Freddie Francis ● 2728d

Why shouldn't Paul give his answer? Just because someone starts a poll doesn't mean they are excluded from giving their own answers to it.🙄

Sue Hammond ● 2728d

Don't get a job with MORI is all I can say (...cue smarmy retort). Asking a question then giving the breakdown is hardly a way to conduct a survey of opinions but I'm not surprised by your response as you and Paul are of a certain leaning.

Freddie Francis ● 2728d

Maybe a multiple choice question would have been a better description.

Freddie Francis ● 2728d

And what leaning is that Freddie?

Sue Hammond ● 2728d

Don't be so coy lol

Freddie Francis ● 2728d

I'm about as coy as a slap in the chops Freddie.😉 Btw I haven't answered Paul's poll because my choice isn't included in it. I think Corbyn/Labour is the most racist.

Sue Hammond ● 2728d

Parliaments and parties aren't racist, unless its an organisation such as the KKK who who define specific policies about race. It's the members that are. In the case of the EU Parliament the the number of ethnic minorities - and gender balance for that matter - reflects, firstly, the proportion of those that stand and, secondly, the way citizens vote. From what I've seen UKIP seems to attract some of the more extreme elements of society including racists. I know some UKIP sympathisers/voters personally (I know that might surprise some people): some express what I'd coinsider racists views, other don't. The LibDems I know don't express racist views; however, I'd admit most people I know come from white middle or working class backgrounds and there's always the danger of unconscious bias in these mattrers.

Michael Ixer ● 2728d

Note: used UKIP as an example as I don't personally know anyone who says they voted for the Brexit  party although I suspect one or two of those who previously supported UKIP did.

Michael Ixer ● 2728d

For once I agree with you Sue. I think Corbyn's Labour Party is currently the most racist party in Parliament. Perhaps other parties are  better at hiding their racism.

Lucille Grant ● 2728d

"For once I agree with you Sue."Hallelujah!! 👍🏻👏😻xx

Sue Hammond ● 2728d

Don't get over excited - that and a love of cats - that is all!

Lucille Grant ● 2728d

And you both love Putney!

Martine Guy ● 2728d

And we both love pusscats!😸

Sue Hammond ● 2728d

Hey Sue,I was thinking how fun it would have been yesterday at the polling station if I were stuck in a long queue waiting to get inside sandwiched between Clare and Richard for 30 mins.On the other hand not the best of ideas as Richard would have bored me to death!

Paul Game ● 2728d

Time to get your iPod out ...😸

Sue Hammond ● 2728d

"On the other hand not the best of ideas as Richard would have bored me to death!"Rather be in the queue with Richard than John Cameron and his endless pictures of cars turning into Dryburgh Rd and correspondence with the Conservators and the Charities Commission.

Freddie Francis ● 2728d

That's true Martine!

Lucille Grant ● 2728d

Back to Paul’s poll.  My answer is none of them.  Now if the question was which one attracts the most racist...

Craig Fordham ● 2728d

Haha Freddie, some of your comments on this thread tickled me :-)

Paul Game ● 2728d

OK but note that he has not answered Lucille's question as to whether he is a member of an ethnic minority

Jane Carter ● 2728d

What is the relevance of Paul's ethnicity go to do with anything? And before you ask, I don't know Paul.

Sue Hammond ● 2728d

Calm down. As he was talking about ethnic minorities, Lucille's question was perfectly reasonable.

Jane Carter ● 2728d

Sue, I'm curious because  Paul harps on about the lack of ethnicity among MEPs - just wondered why it was especially important to him.Most cases I read about lack of ethnicity it is usually from a person who is from an ethnic background. Like me  when I talk about Antisemitism as it affects me directly because I am Jewish, IYSWIM. I don't make any secret of it. Of course, he could dissemble - we'd never know unless we met him in person!

Lucille Grant ● 2728d

I'm white British.My point was that the groups that shout out 'racist' the loudest (group 1 and 2) are often the groups least populated by ethnic minorities themselves hence my point about Cable/Verhofstadt and the EU.

Paul Game ● 2728d

hello Paul  Am a bit confused by your mini poll.  as I understand it EU parliamentarians are chosen by party not nationality.As the EU is predominately white culture, black representatives would be few and far between,especially at this moment in time .I think that the Brexit party has a few  ethnic candidates standing, about the one thing nobody can have a go at Nigel Farage for. I am, however, so often wrong these days about political rules, ( Bercow seems to make them up as he goes along! ), I'm more than likely to be wrong here! please bring me up to current thinking.Incidentally, like Sue I find Jeremy Corbyn to be dreadfully racist.

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2728d

Hi Barbara, nice to hear from you.Yes, the survey was just a little bit of fun tbh. I meant to write; who do you think is the most racist group, not racist party.My theory was that few would actually give me a 1, 2 or 3 answer and that seems to have been the case.Had I done the same survey when Farage was in charge of UKIP, many on here would have jumped on it to lambast Farage as a racist but now he has a diverse set of candidates from all walks of life, the Remoaners are scratching their heads about what they can now throw at him.This is why the elites are now clutching at straws with the illegal funding accusation at him.Oh well, Farage is doing a great job and he will win the EU elections by a landslide, as after all he is representing 406 constituencies whilst the Remoaner parties are only representing 242 constituencies.

Paul Game ● 2728d

For what it’s worth, Paul, I don’t think Farage is remotely racist.  Sadly for him his views are jumped on by racists and other bigots - hence why he was effectively forced to leave UKIP.  In time I fully expect UKIP to disappear entirely and their more unsavoury members jump on the Brexit Party bandwagon

Craig Fordham ● 2728d

Well this is quite an easy question. The most racist is The Brexit Party. The Brexit Party has no members, no manifesto, no agreed policies, it is a limited company which collects cash from "supporters" for Nigel Farage. What idiots! At least if you join the Labour or Conservative parties you have some say in things. And Farage is clearly a racist.The other two (LibDem Party and EP) have very diverse memberships, controls, checks and constitutions. It is a really stupid question, for example, to ask whether the European Parliament is a racist "party" - it is not a party for starters - more importantly, it is only as racist as its voters. There are as a result of its voters, racist members. Nigel Farage for one. But there are far worst examples.Now why do I say Farage is racist? Well if the breaking point poster didn't quite do it for you, try this:https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/13/race.worldFarage and his many conversations about the "nignog vote", In the days before he realised people would take note of this.Now, even more importantly, why are you posting this crap? Why is it important to you to broadcast on a very minor forum that racist Nigel Farage is not a racist?  Methinks you doth protest too much.

Paul Longmire ● 2728d

Methinks you have posted a load of biased crap.

Sue Hammond ● 2727d

Yes agree Sue,Never a good idea to write a post half cut late at night,  as you read it the next morning with cringe at how bitter and twisted you may have come across.After all Farage is running away with the polls and has a great ethnic mix in his party!

Paul Game ● 2727d

Paul Longmire,If you please send me the link to the Farage quote about "the Nignog vote" as you described and I will happily condemn him too!

Paul Game ● 2727d

I vote Brexit party as most racist, promoting nationalism and insularity.

Lisa Cottam ● 2725d

Lovely to see Benyamin Habib get elected as an MEP last night. After all the EU parliament is crying out for some more diversity from its pool of MEP's.

Paul Game ● 2725d

@LisaMost racist? Unfortunately some narrow minded people 'see' racism everywhere. Promoting nationalism? What is wrong with putting one's country first? I call that patriotism.Promoting insularity? We live on an island so from that perspective only I do agree that we are an insular country. However the U.K. isn't culturally insular because it has a very diverse population and is one of the most tolerant countries in the world.

Sue Hammond ● 2725d

Call it what you like, Sue. We all have the right to our opinion.

Lisa Cottam ● 2725d

Of course Lisa. And we all have the right to disagree.

Sue Hammond ● 2724d

And it was certainly lovely to see the great ethnic diversity in the successful Brexit Party candidates!

Richard Carter ● 2724d

Oooops!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2724d

Good to see you've got a sense of humour Dickie. Nice one🤣😂🤣

Paul Game ● 2724d