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Michael Deacon, the parliamentary sketch writer for the Daily Telegraph, sums the whole confected row up well:"While they wait for Theresa May to reveal what changes, if any, she’s made to her Brexit deal, British politicians find themselves at a loose end. They’re listless. Restless. Idle.Today’s business in the Commons began at 11.33am – and ended at 3.29pm, less than four hours later. MPs, it seemed, had nothing left to talk about.In this context, you’d think they’d have been grateful to Donald Tusk, for his efforts to relieve their boredom.“I’ve been wondering what the special place in Hell looks like,” said the President of the European Council, during a remarkable statement in Brussels, “for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out.”A special place in Hell. Mr Tusk must have known the uproar this phrase would provoke. Indeed, afterwards he was overheard admitting it. “They’ll give you terrible trouble in the British press,” whispered Leo Varadkar, the Irish premier, who had been speaking alongside him.“I know,” Mr Tusk whispered back. “Ha ha!”No doubt he was thoroughly satisfied with the consequences. For the rest of the day, British politics appeared to be in the grip of a collective nervous breakdown.Within minutes, an even more than usually apoplectic Sammy Wilson (DUP, East Antrim) had fired off a statement, thundering that Mr Tusk was “a devilish, trident-wielding Euro maniac”.Hot on Mr Wilson’s heels, Gerard Batten, the latest leader of Ukip, declared that it was actually the opponents of Brexit – “traitors [who] want their country governed by a foreign power” – who would go to Hell.In the Commons, Peter Bone – Tory MP for Wellingborough, and co-founder of 2016’s Grassroots Out campaign – even made a complaint to the Speaker. The Speaker’s duties don’t normally extend to adjudicating on statements by Polish politicians 250 miles away, but Mr Bone didn’t let this deter him. Mr Tusk’s words, he protested, were “completely outrageous”, and an insult to “the British people”.Joanna Cherry (SNP, Edinburgh SW) rolled her eyes. No, she sighed, Mr Tusk had not insulted “the British people”. Instead, he had very specifically insulted – to quote him in full – “those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out”. In other words: not the public, but politicians. Politicians like Mr Bone.“Sometimes,” said Ms Cherry, “the truth hurts, doesn’t it?”Elsewhere, however, Mr Tusk’s targets continued to fume. Nigel Farage called him a “bully”. The DUP’s Arlene Foster call him “very disrespectful”. Andrea Leadsom said his behaviour was “disgraceful”.What a rumpus. Personally, I think that if anyone had a right to feel offended, it was the Devil himself. After all, no one had even thought to ask him whether he actually wants to spend all eternity with Messrs Farage, Bone, Wilson and Batten. Perhaps he doesn’t.Mr Tusk could at least have had the manners to check with him first."

Richard Carter ● 2835d

These sinister words, and pictures of Tusk's contorted face have ricocheted round the Worlds' front pages, and is not doing the EU's tarnished image any good.  This is not normal behaviour, and was a clearly scripted threat by the Bilderberg Globalist elite, who are now desperate to prevent their United Europe from falling apart.Not only Mr Tusk, who is despised by his fellow Poles, but Belgian Guy Verhofstadt waded in shortly afterwards with the following words of comfort:" Well, I doubt Lucifer would welcome them, as after what they did to Britain, they would even divide hell".Mr Verhofstadt typifies the Liberal Socialist ideology at the head of this Union, having feathered his nest on the boards of APG Asset Management, with assets of 470bn euros, Sofina, and Exmar group.  From their carefully chosen words, it seems that this demonic duo have already established a working relationship with Satan.Meanwhile our own Liberal in chief, who lied about tuition fees and a conscripted EU Army, now rents out his Putney home having purchased a $6.5m home in the US.The EU, with Italy now admitting it is in recession, and Germany heading that way, really has been a feeding trough for political failures, and the Common Market that Bilderberger Heath led us into is not really what was written on the tin is it?As we reeled from the demonic pronouncements of those who preside over our "democracy"  Nantes Football club commenced legal action against Cardiff FC for unpaid fees after the tragic disappearance of a young man whose body has yet to be found.  The cultured and philanthropic Malaysians who run Cardiff FC had quite rightly decided to wait for investigations to finish, but the French are as broke as most of their continental neighbours, so need their 5 mill toute suite. With friends like these, do we really need further proof of who the enemy is, or would those who lost the referendum prefer to stick with the devil they know?

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2834d

The text of the entire speech is difficult to find in some newspapers, so here it is.  (https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/02/06/remarks-by-president-donald-tusk-after-his-meeting-with-taoiseach-leo-varadkar/)'There are 50 days left until the UK's exit from the European Union, following the decision and the will of the UK authorities. I know that still a very great number of people in the UK, and on the continent, as well as in Ireland, wish for a reversal of this decision. I have always been with you, with all my heart. But the facts are unmistakable. At the moment, the pro-Brexit stance of the UK Prime Minister, and the Leader of the Opposition, rules out this question. Today, there is no political force and no effective leadership for remain. I say this without satisfaction, but you can't argue with the facts.Today our most important task is to prevent a no deal scenario. I would, once again, like to stress that the position of the EU27 is clear, as expressed in the documents agreed with the UK government – that is the Withdrawal Agreement and the Political Declaration – and the EU27 is not making any new offer. Let me recall that the December European Council decided that the Withdrawal Agreement is not open for re-negotiation. I hope that tomorrow we will hear from Prime Minister May a realistic suggestion on how to end the impasse, in which the process of the orderly withdrawal of the UK from the EU has found itself, following the latest votes in the House of Commons.The top priority for us, remains the issue of the border on the island of Ireland, and the guarantee to maintain the peace process in accordance with the Good Friday Agreement. There is no room for speculation here. The EU itself is first and foremost a peace project. We will not gamble with peace; or put a sell-by date on reconciliation. And this is why we insist on the backstop. Give us a believable guarantee for peace in Northern Ireland, and the UK will leave the EU as a trusted friend. I hope that the UK government will present ideas that will both respect this point of view and, at the same time, command a stable and clear majority in the House of Commons. I strongly believe that a common solution is possible, and I will do everything in my power to find it.A sense of responsibility also tells us to prepare for a possible fiasco. The Taoiseach and I have spoken about the necessary actions in case of no deal; I know that you will also be discussing this shortly with the European Commission.By the way, I've been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely. Thank you.'

Clare Noeken ● 2834d

More cool-headed material putting the whole silly spat into perspective, again from the rebid Brexiting Telegraph (their Brussels correspondent, James Crisp):Since when did Brexiteers become such a bunch of pearl-clutching snowflakes? Has it really come to this that the lion-hearted warriors for Britain’s independence have been reduced to a gaggle of maiden aunts with the vapours?How else to explain the affected outrage and hysterical whinging that followed Donald Tusk suggesting that there was “a special place in Hell” for Brexit campaigners who had no plan to protect the Irish peace process?As Mr Tusk knew it would, there were Brexit campaigners who were quick to be loudly and obnoxiously offended. How unlike them to be so fashionable. I look forward to them urging the EU to check its privilege on Instagram.Theresa May upbraided Mr Tusk in Brussels on Thursday for his "unhelpful" language, which she said had "caused widespread dismay in the United Kingdom". Widespread dismay? Really?“The man has no manners,” said Andrea Leadsom, her lips pursed in matronly disapproval. Sajid Javid opted to channel EastEnders’ Danny Dyer. Mr Tusk was “out of order”, he said.  Peter Bone MP, melting under the sulphuric fire of Mr Tusk’s tongue, demanded an apology in the House of Commons for the "hugely offensive, completely unacceptable" comments. A little over a week ago, Mr Bone told the BBC that the EU would be “very stupid" to leave Brexit talks to the last minute. "But on many occasions, the EU are very stupid,” he added. If the social media savvy Mr Tusk was watching Mr Bone yesterday, he may have been tempted to tweet the 'hooked fish' emoji. If Brexiteers can’t handle a reference to Dante Alighieri without running to the mummy of all parliaments, how will they handle the rough-housing of trade negotiations with Donald Trump?Arlene Foster, known for her delicate touch and sensitive disposition, said Mr Tusk has been “disrespectful”. Or as Sammy Wilson, her fellow DUP member, put it being a “devilish euro maniac”.How long before the DUP demands a “safe space” for debating in Westminster like the coddled millennial darlings that are ruining our universities with their poutish no-platforming?Gerard Batten, the Ukip leader and MEP, was well and truly triggered. A man so lacking in charisma he is regularly upstaged by whatever piece of furniture he is standing next to, Mr Batten howled that it was the Remainers doomed to eternal damnation.Calm down dears. If these shocked school marms are happy to dish it out, they have to be able to take it as well. Let’s not forget the last two foreign secretaries, Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt, compared the EU to the fevered dreams of Adolf Hitler and the Soviet Union. And that delicate flower Mr Wilson accused the EU of Nazi-like “punishment beatings”.No wonder there are those in Brussels sporting a smirk and a raised eyebrow at the histrionics on the other side of the channel. They have long accused Britain of “Brussels-bashing”.I am a huge fan of Brussels-bashing, especially when the EU is bang to rights - or wrongs. Mr Tusk has made a basic self-indulgent political error by making it tougher for Brexiteers to support Mrs May's deal. But there is nothing wrong with Brexiteer-bashing when, for example, its political supporters have no workable plan to deliver it. Which they don’t.  A confident, independent, democratic and sovereign UK should be able to take the odd joke about cake on Instagram or the occasional catty remark on Twitter. Would the Empire have been built if Britons were reduced to crying jags everytime someone was a bit mean about them?Mr Tusk has form. The former prime minister of Poland rarely misses a chance to stick it to Vladimir Putin and has even had a pop or two at Donald Trump.You don’t see Mr Putin and Mr Trump melting down into a hissy fit or feigning offence.By all means disagree with Mr Tusk, who at least, to borrow a phrase, “has been clear”. But don’t pretend to be wounded by him.If your pain is genuine then, by the bowels of Christ, get out of the ring and leave the politics to the big boys and girls.Global Britain is stepping out into a big tough world. If Mr Tusk’s jibe is all it takes to trigger our politicians into a frenzy of mock outrage, they better start developing thicker skins. 

Richard Carter ● 2834d

The backstop is an insurance policy, no more.  The intent is to make sure that whatever happens during the years to come, while we are trying to agree a free trade agreement with the EU and - should negotiations run beyond the end of the implementation period (end 2020) - an open border in Ireland is guaranteed.  That can only done if both sides remain in the customs union.  The UK will leave the customs union at the end of 2020 (if May's deal gets through the HoC) so the backstop foresees that the whole of the UK, not just NI (at our request) remains in a CU and remains aligned to the EU on agriculture and similar products representing the bulk of Irish cross-border trade, until a trade deal is finally signed.  There is no end date which means things could drag on for years, decades even. That continuing regulatory alignment will not include the rest of the UK hence NI might get treated differently and there will be a need for new regulatory checks in the Irish Sea.The backstop guarantees an open border to honour promises made by the UK, the EU and the Republic of Ireland.  But this promise is now no longer acceptable because to the Brexiteers full separation is preferable to keeping the peace in Ireland.  So they want to renege on it.The backstop is the only way so far devised to find a way round the inherent conflict between keeping an open border and leaving both the EU's customs union and the single market.  It could still either scupper Brexit or force a no-deal exit on us, to catastrophic effect.  It is the point at which the promises of the Brexiteers founder on the rocks of reality.

Jonathan Callaway ● 2834d

Despite the admiration from a few on this forum for Tusk, the World media has taken a different view.  Laura Kuenssberg of the normally pro-EU BBC issued an article - "Brexit:  Donald Tusk's Planned outburst" where she points out that when a cool head is required, Tusk instead added unnecessary fuel to the fire.  She references his fondness for reminiscing over his days as a football hooligan.  His and Verhofstadt's words were so disturbing that they have woken up a slumbering media to the hatred that the EU feels towards a departing UK.  How many people can you remember who refer to "Lucifer" during a disagreement, with the threat of burning in hell?  We expect better from the leaders of the so-called civilised world, who preach endlessly to their old colonies about respect and tolerance.It is also indicative of the cultural marxism endemic in the EU that these two have now asked to deal with Jeremy Corbyn (leader of the minority party) over a matter that that the majority made a clear decision about.  That a man who engaged with foreign terrorists, but not his own Prime Minister, is now being brought into the fold, is beyond perverse.  The Telegraph makes it clear that Brussels is despite for our money, and the FT has coverage of the legal row between France and Japan over the jailed French/Brazilian Nissan/Renault chairman.With the Eurozone heading towards recession, the question of why this wonderful trade bloc had arrived at this point, and why we should wish to stay on the sinking ship was posed during the panel discussion on SKY called the Pledge.  The young female Remainer was lost for words, and when asked again what had caused this impending disaster, she uttered the word "Trump".This was rightly met with incredulity from the panel, and I'm afraid that neither Putin nor Trump can be blamed for a fiscal fiasco entirely engendered by those who dare not allow us to leave.

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2833d

Clare asks: "If we are outside the EU, these minimum standards can be changed or dropped altogether by the government of the day. Oh, but they wouldn't do that, would they…?" to which Andy replies: "why would they"?To which the answer is, because (a) they can and, more importantly, (b) it's what they want to do. So much of the pro-Brexit push has come from people who want to trash our labour and environmental standards because it would benefit business. Three example should suffice: - Rees-Mogg told the Treasury Select Committee that “We could, if we wanted, accept emissions standards from India, America, and Europe. There’d be no contradiction with that.  “We could say, if it’s good enough in India, it’s good enough for here. There’s nothing to stop that.  We could take it a very long way. American emission standards are fine – probably in some cases higher." yeah, right, with India having the worst pollution levels in the world, and Trump doing his worst to destroy American environmental standards. - Boris Johnson has argued for the enticing prospects awaiting a deregulated post-Brexit Britain, condemning the EuropeanCommission for “trussing the nations together in a gigantic and ever-tightening cat’s cradle of red tape”. - And in 2017, May herself insisted she would walk away from negotiations with Brussels if she was only offered a bad deal, threatening to adopt a Singapore-style low-tax, low-regulation economic model to maintain competitiveness.And that's what you want to "save Brexit" for, a Singapore-on-the-Channel?

Richard Carter ● 2832d

Sue -  The European Union is far from being run  by fascists or dictators. These are their goals and values: https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/eu-in-brief_enHTHThe goals of the European Union are:promote peace, its values and the well-being of its citizensoffer freedom, security and justice without internal borderssustainable development based on balanced economic growth and price stability, a highly competitive market economy with full employment and social progress, and environmental protectioncombat social exclusion and discriminationpromote scientific and technological progressenhance economic, social and territorial cohesion and solidarity among EU countriesrespect its rich cultural and linguistic diversityestablish an economic and monetary union whose currency is the euro.The EU values are common to the EU countries in a society in which inclusion, tolerance, justice, solidarity and non-discrimination prevail. These values are an integral part of our European way of life:Human dignityHuman dignity is inviolable. It must be respected, protected and constitutes the real basis of fundamental rights.FreedomFreedom of movement gives citizens the right to move and reside freely within the Union. Individual freedoms such as respect for private life, freedom of thought, religion, assembly, expression and information are protected by the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.DemocracyThe functioning of the EU is founded on representative democracy. Being a European citizen also means enjoying political rights. Every adult EU citizen has the right to stand as a candidate and to vote in elections to the European Parliament. EU citizens have the right to stand as candidate and to vote in their country of residence, or in their country of origin.EqualityEquality is about equal rights for all citizens before the law. The principle of equality between women and men underpins all European policies and is the basis for European integration. It applies in all areas. The principle of equal pay for equal work became part of the Treaty of Rome in 1957. Although inequalities still exist, the EU has made significant progress.Rule of lawThe EU is based on the rule of law. Everything the EU does is founded on treaties, voluntarily and democratically agreed by its EU countries. Law and justice are upheld by an independent judiciary. The EU countries gave final jurisdiction to the European Court of Justice which judgements have to be respected by all.Human rightsHuman rights are protected by the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. These cover the right to be free from discrimination on the basis of sex, racial or ethnic origin, religion or belief, disability, age or sexual orientation, the right to the protection of your personal data, and or the right to get access to justice.These goals and values form the basis of the EU and are laid out in the Lisbon Treaty and the EU Charter of fundamental rights.In 2012, the EU was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for advancing the causes of peace, reconciliation, democracy and human rights in Europe.

Lucille Grant ● 2832d